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Posted 31 October 2011 - 01:46 PM

European Bailout Explained.

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 10:36 PM

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 03:12 PM

Bailout overtaken by events.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 07:02 AM

The big banks have us all going Greek.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 10:13 PM

Blame the politicians for interfering. The government shouldn’t have bailed out any business entity. The problem is it would have been painful to let them fail and people don’t like pain. Until we start acting like grown-ups and pay the piper, none of this is going to get any better. We need smaller government and we need to realize that there are way too many fucking people on the planet.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 11:30 PM

"...we need to realize that there are way too many fucking people on the planet."

Your phrasing is frightening.
I don't disagree, butt yr emphasis is wrong.

Too many fucking people
implies we need less fucking people.

Let the four horsemen ride?
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 11:36 PM

We need realize that the planet's resources
need to be allocated to take care of 7 billion
now.

And managed to allow those 7 billion
to remain fucking people. Meaning meaningful
and hopeful for their progeny.

The world is small and it ain't gonna grow,
except in terms of the knowledge that makes it
smaller.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 11:43 PM

If we need smaller government, and
I'm not sure we do, then we need
bigger, stronger leaders to lead
by exemplifying the best that humanity has
to offer to me, you and our futures.
People willing to lead by serving
selflessly.

And we need people to follow.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 11:45 PM

Better we all blame ourselves
than pointing fingers at someone else.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 11:50 PM

Maybe try educating people about the need for zero population growth first. I’m just not sure you could sell it and the Chinese option doesn’t work for me. I don’t have an answer. I’m not big on secular humanism, so, I guess, cold hearted as it sounds, evolution is just going to have to run its course.
The bottom line is there isn’t enough wealth and resources for the amount of humans on the planet. I do know that letting governments decide who gets what doesn’t work for shit. I’ve never understood why people have faith in big government. The government is just a bunch of assholes that think they know better than everyone else what should happen, when the truth is most of them couldn’t survive without your taxes to suck off of.
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 11:56 PM

We need realize that the planet's resources
need to be allocated to take care of 7 billion
now.

And managed to allow those 7 billion
to remain fucking people. Meaning meaningful
and hopeful for their progeny.

And who decides?

It's amazing that barely a quarter century after communism fell, people have forgotten how many people it killed and how many it made totally miserable.

Big leaders? Like Stalin, Hitler or Mao? I’ll pass.
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Posted 03 November 2011 - 02:13 AM

I don't have faith in big government
any more than I have faith in small government.

We get exactly what we play for.
I don't have much faith in mankind.

Consciousness isn't all it's cracked up to be.
At least not as the best attribute for survival.
We'll make way for the cockroaches.
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Posted 03 November 2011 - 02:21 AM

In the meantime, how about
Gandhi, Oprah and James T. Kirk?
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Posted 03 November 2011 - 02:22 AM

We need leaders
and we all need to decide.

It's untenable
either way.
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Posted 03 November 2011 - 03:33 AM

Government of some kind is a necessity because without it we are reduced to barbarism in tooth and claw. Unregulated markets without the moderating effects of government become brutal feudalistic nightmares of massive extreme poverty dominated by pockets of extreme wealth.

What kind of government and what kind of modifying influence are the questions. There are no utopias but if we don't do better than this, we are headed for an ugly distopia as the economy and ecology collapse. I believe we can do better and that change, for the better or worse, is coming and coming fast. What that change will be is up to all of us.
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Posted 03 November 2011 - 10:39 AM

there are way too many fucking people on the planet.

Well, if I were you I'd start by not fucking anymore.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 10:52 AM

I'm going to amuse myself
for a long time thinking
about Kros and 6 being
fucking interchangeable.
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Posted 03 November 2011 - 02:08 PM

Maybe try educating people about the need for zero population growth first.


You hit the nail on the head. More importantly, it's been shown to only be effective if you educate the women.

I may be good to remember that most of the successful education initiatives on this front in the 20th century have been, in great part, state founded. If you leave that to the private sector, it'll go for short term profits and the rich will educate only their own class.

The problem is that there is no regulating feedback in the system for longer term effects unless, yes, that dirty government provides it. And without that feedback, the system is unstable over the longer term and goes to hell in a hand-basket over the course of three generations.

There goes your small government theory.

Want small government? Think Africa between the two tropics and all its failed states in which government is largely non-existent or has no reach. Unsurprisingly, the largest fertility rates on the planet.

In due course, the system will also settle in a new equilibirium even if we do nothing. That will take us back to, say, the 10th century: wars, plagues, famine and high mortality rates after the fall of the current civilisation which has caused the problems by making the mortality rate decline and because of long lasting environmental damage.

If you think allowing that to happen is OK, it means you really believe in small government. I don't think anyone with kids would really want to foist that kind of world upon them, though.

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 11:56 PM

The only thing big government is going to get you is the day that little Sixer is standing in the street screaming “Soylent Green is people”. Good luck to you all. I’ll be busy cleaning my guns in my fenced compound in the Nevada desert. I’ll also be drinking heavily, remembering the days when a man determined his own destiny.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 12:52 AM

"No man is an island"

Except in a fenced compound
in a land-locked desert.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 02:37 AM

Being in a fenced compound in the Nevada desert with lots of guns and booze is an odd destiny to choose. I hope you're stocked up on food too and be glad those cans of chili are at least partially regulated for quality by that mean ol' big government or you'd be forced to remember the the days when a business determined his own product quality.
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 03:59 PM

remembering the days when a man determined his own destiny.

I hate to break it to you, but that day never existed. I guess you're getting old if you start believing in Golden Age fallacies.

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Posted 16 November 2011 - 10:38 AM

I hate to break it to you, Beliquan -- but that day did once exist in this country. If you were a white male from a wealthy family, you could indeed determine your own destiny...
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Posted 17 November 2011 - 09:05 AM

You still can. The bar was simply raised 'a bit'; now you just need enough money to fund lobbyists or to insert yourself as a parasite into something Too Big to Fail (that class includes both the House of Representatives and the Senate, of course).

Edited by sixela, 17 November 2011 - 09:06 AM.


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Posted 17 November 2011 - 09:34 AM

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 04:13 PM

Rick comme Absomph.
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