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#1 absinthist

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 11:44 AM

Apart from sake (as some of you know), I have naturally checked other wonderful drinks, like Polish pear distillate-a bit young and crispy, several beers from round the world, and finally the only modern piołunówka that seems to be the closest to the vintage ones I am still searching for.

It is a small batch, sold only in one shop in warsaw, so no limits on quality have been set, and with other products from that company I have been always fully satisfied.

The recipe was made by Grzegorz Russak, famous for Polish nalewka revival and coming back to golden times of Polish spirits industry of the heyday. Looks like it depicts Falimierz' s recipe from 1534 with some modifications in.

The price is reasonable if obviously it twice the price of regular very good vodka. The strength is 40%, could be a bit higher, but it is their choice.

The colour-all natural, slightly yellowish with beautiful green tinge. Upon pouring piołunówka into the glass, the well-known wormwood scent is evident and very pleasant, the alcohol not.

Although piołunówka is supposed to be sugared, in the taste, at first sugar becomes too dominant and starts to prevent wormwood notes from blossoming and reigning.

Fortunately, the finish is perfectly wormwoody, floral and bitter. (I do not detect stems in the aftertaste, so probablement only flowers were used, maybe some leaves-there is little spiciness with minty aura while swallowing).

All in all, it is piołunówka, probably a bit different than J.A.Baczewski's but very close.

Anyone willing to come back to the very beginning, should give it a try-natural, reasonably priced and 100% of Polish soul hidden in every drop.

It is advisable to add very little water to help the wormwood move more to the front as sugaring can be annoying and heavy to some and is the only drawback of that versatile and exquisite nalewka in any sense.

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 12:30 PM

Is this the stuff where if you stand down-wind you can smell the Chernobyl?
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 12:31 PM

Yup, popular misconception.
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 01:16 PM

What?

That piołunówka is made with mugwort
or that Polish wormwood glows in the dark?
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 01:47 PM

Mugwort in Russian is Chernobyl, wormwood is not. That piołunówka is made with wormwood, spirit, sugar and water, nothing else.

No glowing, sorry. Polish wormwood is one of the healthiest in the world, and as you have seen at FV, it is bigger than Pontarlier's.
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 02:32 PM

Bigger is not always better.

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 02:34 PM

I like the word 'mugwort'; sounds like a Harry Potter surname.

It also sounds less devastating, and slightly cute, if a mugwort reactor exploded rather than a chernobyl.

Edited by Nymphadora, 06 September 2007 - 02:36 PM.

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 03:32 PM

Sheeeit, the
local ABC Liquours
don't have
PoleLuneWhacka.
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 03:36 PM

Bigger is not always better.


Is that some sort of consolation?
Drinking for medicinal reasons.

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 03:42 PM

As long as you're
gettin' morer, who
gives a xit?
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 03:43 PM

True 'nuff
Drinking for medicinal reasons.

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 12:54 AM

Bigger is not always better.


Mugwort is bigger, too. Recent harvest was around 2 m tall.

Sheeeit, the
local ABC Liquours
don't have
PoleLuneWhacka.


These are the best in their class (one of them might be vintage and no longer produced), I am searching for any since 1996.

http://video.funknet.../piolunowka.htm

http://www.67wine.com/146116

Otherwise, buddy, if you want the recipe, you may make your own or let someone do it.

At the very moment I possess three recipes: from 1534, from the 80's and my own-anyone interested-please, PM.

Edited by absinthist, 07 September 2007 - 06:04 AM.

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 01:15 AM

Finished it today. Basic ingredients: water, spirit, wormwood leaves, nothing more, nothing else.

So far, I have omitted adding sugar because it seems that one will not be needing it.

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Posted 21 May 2008 - 03:04 AM

Racked two batches today. Not that I am goin' CO, but several bots have been ordered by various people so I had to keep the promise. Slightly more floral profile than in the previous batch.

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Posted 21 May 2008 - 03:20 AM

I thought it was
the chewy bits that
make you trip balz.
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 03:21 AM

Oh, and
Gak!
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 03:43 AM

Technology of Czeckerlandia is not what is pursued, ya mean yer gallon of KOS is gone and there is nuthin' left to chew on?
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 04:04 AM

Yer just a dirty
filterater, you are.
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Posted 21 May 2008 - 06:18 AM

Filtration is bad, fer everythin' I wood concur.
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Posted 11 July 2008 - 03:58 AM

1782-J.A.Baczewski kaiserlich und königlich Distillerie is founded in Lwów (Lemberg). Its portfolio is vast and amongst others includes: Winiak ***, Konjak, Polska Żytniówka 42, Wiśniowa 40, Pomarańczowa 40, Pomarańczowa niesłodzona 40, Souverain vodka, Żytnia Perła 45, Starka Podolska 40, Kontuszówka 56, Kminkówka 30, Monopolowa 40, Piołunówka 50 or Bernardine Imperiale. Soon, it becomes the biggest and most popular producer of various spirits and liqueurs that are known in France, Great Britain or Germany or the USA. Of all the spirits offered by the company particularly preferred are Piołunówka and Wiśniowa 40. At the time, "baczewski" became the synonym of exquisite, traditional spirit.

Products of J.A.Baczewski have won medals on the following exhibitions: 1866 - Vienna, 1867 - Paris, 1868 - Havre, 1869 -Rudolfheim, Amsterdam, Wittenberg, Altona, 1872 - Moscow, London, 1873 - London, Vienna, 1878 - Paris, 1882 - Przemyśl, 1888 - Lwów, Grand-Prix in 1900 - Paris, or 1904- Vienna. In 1918, the company was using the most modern equipment, like 3 rectification apparatus of Barbet-Pompe and Saval system-330 hectoliters/day or 5 apparatus for the sole distillation of herbs. In 1925 during the Spirits Competition held in London J.A.Baczewski won all the possible awards!

Unfortunately, the distillery was bombed in 1939 by Germans and further destroyed by Soviets.

Nowadays the price for an empty bottle of Baczewski is about 50 Euro and if the bottle is full, it may be around 5000 Euro AFAIK.

J.A.Baczewski Piołunówka recipe is believed to differ from Piołunówka of the Medieval times-apart from wormwood it should contain other valuable herbs and as most of Baczewski products it is aged prior to bottling.

The license for reviving J.A.Baczewski products was acquired by Polmos Starogard Gdański in the early 70's and that company released some of these spirits using also the same bottle shape. These were available till the early 90's when the production of these was discontinued.

After many years of searching, I have finally found J.A.Baczewski, although it is not the real deal from years 1782-1939, it happens to be the no-longer produced Piołunówka from Polmos Starogard Gdański. Together with that bottle, I can get also "Krambambuli" which traditional spirit from Gdańsk (then Danzig)-one of the most expensive vodkas of the heyday which was discontinued in the early years of the 20th century as well as "Silberwasser"-the younger, less common, hence rarer, sister of the famous "Danziger Goldwasser."

Below is the original J.A.Baczewski bottle so it can compared with the more modern bottle shape of Piołunówka by Polmos Starogard Gdański. The rest of the pics show the latter. Together with my Father we presume it might be from the years 1970-1980. First of all, that bottle shape as such was not available anymore in the 90's, moreover the label is bilingual (German-Polish). As it can be clearly seen, there is "Danziger Abs" (Wormwood from Gdańsk) as well as "Jaszczurówka Piołunowa" (Jaszczurka-lizard was an emblem of Polmos Starogard Gdański (previously the company was known under the name of H.A. Winkelhausen Wytwórnia Wódek, Likierów i Koniaków, est. 1846)), together with "Gallen Likör" meaning herbal spirit. Noteworthy is the orange colour of the label, typical of the original J.A.Baczewski Piołunówka.

Moreover, the last pics show young piołunówka and the vintage one which thanks to aging has achieved very nice and natural tint.

For further information, etc, PM. I haven't opened it yet :evill:

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Posted 01 August 2008 - 11:55 PM

I have finally cracked it and I must admit I am very surprised. The colour has retained some of its initial nuances if definitely the time has taken its toll.

The aroma is crisp, slightly herbal, I am at the position of saying it is 70% of spiciness, but not obtrusive and 30% of herbacousness, married well with alcohol. Actually, it is very smooth on the palate, though when swallowed gets a bit heavy and harsh. The culprit of the harshness in the finish seems to be… cinnamon shock.gif what might confirm my belief that "piołunkowy likwor" recipe of A.Piątkowski from 1808 (that calls for an abundance of ingredients) would reflect what was later known as "J.A.Baczewski Piołunówka".

The taste reveals very nice, complex balance of herbs and spices, where the most prominent are the notes of wormwood, cinnamon, cloves, some earthy and cognac-like nuances that travel from back to the front, and since it is a liqueur, caramel'y boldness from added sugar.

In comparison with piołunówka from Nalewki-i-inne and numerous other I have tried, it is very tasty, good, pleasant and wormwoody, even the sugar is not the obstacle. Now on the controversy of its bitterness-almost non-existent after so much time. Addition of some waer™ might help diminish the heaviness of the drink which still doesn't lose its complexity and exquisite style.
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Posted 08 May 2009 - 04:04 AM

Today I would like to share more information regarding the general situation of Polish spirits industry of the heyday.

Back in the 18th century, the greatest production of spirits was in Gdańsk. Here we could find the following specialties, some of which I have been already talking about, like: Goldwasser and Silberwasser, Krambambula, Anisette, Danziger Tropfen, Kürfürst Likör (bitter orange-flavoured) ,Kümmel, Pomaranczówka and several others.

The aforementioned Baczewski porfolio included: Jarzębiak (rowan berry brandy), slivovitz, starka, rum, anisette, piołunówka, kminkówka (so almost allasch), apricot brandy, krupnik, several types of wiśniówka, żubrówka as well as licensed in a sense Bernardine Imperial (Benedictine clone), Souverain or both Chartreuse types. As I was mentioning somewhere else Baczewski was the sole importer of Pernod fils for Poland.

Another big enterprise, even closer to my heart, was Łańcut distillery established in 1784. Here the most popular were rosoglios, pieprzówka (black pepper-flavoured vodka), starowin (literally "old wine", slightly aged clear vodka), prunelle and various liqueurs ("Gwardian" being the most notable one). In 1900 in Paris, Łańcut got gold medal for all their products.

In the meantime, Jewish enterpreneur, Hartwig Kantorowicz created his distillery in Ostrówek in 1793, however moved the premises to Poznań in 1823. In 1885, his products got 3 first gold medals during the New Orleans Exhibition. He was specializing in Monastique liqueur, curacao blanc et orange, angostura and Mandarin Ginger. He can be credited for the invention of Wyborowa brand-some of you should know very well.

The best cherry-flavoured vodkas were coming from Stefen Geneli who established his Warszawska Wytwórnia Wódek i Likierów. In Warsaw, we could meet M. Patschke Liqueur Distillery who was the second, after Baczewski, importer of French liqueurs, including lesser brands of extrait d'absinthe and ratafias.

Rektyfikacja Warszawska was another important player in the game, having their subsidiaries in Latvia and in Odessa. Their most popular products were: jarzębinowa, brandy, starka, siwucha and arak or the famous Kapucyn liqueur.

In Gniezno in 1888, Bolesław Kasprowicz was cooking 80 different brands, including starka, okropka and Refectorium or Boonekamp liqueur. His products were had in high esteem in the US, CanuckyFuckyLand and Brazil. Till 1913 Kasprowicz was given 72 gold medals in Rome, Paris, Vienna, etc.

Very popular at the time was also Haberbusch i Schiele SA that were proposing the following stuff: królewska, slivovitz, starka, orange-flavoured, Louis Marteau brandy, curacao orange and triple sec, as well as the most famous and worldwide-known Cacao Choix.

Until the outbreak of WWII, the Polish spirits portfolio contained at least 30 different styles, one distillery making up to 60 brands alone.
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Posted 09 May 2009 - 07:02 AM

Coming back to piołunówka. Below is the pic of genuine one and my humble replica thereof. It was made in January:

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As my friends: Conte di Ugenta and dakini painter were so kind to accept piołunówka I would like to share their opinions on these beverages:

Dakini's short review of piołunówka 2007

The piołunówka is very good. Similar to an aquavit a friend sent me. If there is any macerated AA in it, I cannot tell. These samples will disappear very quickly.

A little more AA in the distillation I think to bring out the flavor and aroma more, but that's all. (I must admit I don't have a good sense of smell, so I might be missing out on a good aroma.)

Very smooth and not harsh or bitter at all. Highly recommended.

Conte's short review of both piołunówka 2007 and Baczewski piołunówka replica 2009:

I tasted the two piolunowka whoa! I'm not a big fan of vodkas, but this stuff is pretty damn good! The P07 is my favourite, it's super smooth and less bitter, the P09 on the other hand is more aromatic, very interesting indeed! Can you tell me more on this product? Wiki doesn't help... No need to tell the ingredients, my biggest curiosity is what did you use as base alcohol to have it so smooth and oily.

It has a kind of oilyness that is remarkable, and I can't figure out where it comes from... I'd really find hard to believe it's the ageing, as ageing can of course smooth things out, or change and enrich the flavour profile, but there you have something oily in it, it even sticks to the glass, and even tho I don't know how wormwood you put in it, wormwood can't give out so much oils! Do you think you can reproduce it? The 09 is very good but not so oily, uhm!

I am very thankful for their feedback and critique.
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Posted 23 May 2009 - 12:14 AM

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Found that recipe yesterday. Very interesting, especially if we see that enormous amount of wormwood (even some of the more idiosyncratic and really early absinthe recipes do not call for such an abundance). The product should end either at 59.4% (if we take regular spirit) or at 43.08% (if we take the spirit of the heyday). 500g of sugar is not nihil novi for these times, though.

400g of wormwood flowertops
150g of bitter orange peels
8g of fresh calamus
2g of nutmeg
7g of cloves and cinammon each

The aging should last at least two and a half month.
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Posted 09 March 2010 - 02:42 PM

Will be showin' sum xit tomorrow...
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Posted 09 March 2010 - 07:30 PM

Thanks for the warning.
C'est ma santé

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 07:18 AM

The much adored J.A.Baczewski crystal carafe, ca. 1856-1894. In such shaped bottles, only 5 brands were sold: Anisette verte, Cherry, Cumin sec sec, Orange sec sec and Curacao sec sec. The group of spirits was named "Marque de la Renaissance", in Baczewski catalogue the bottle had the number 17 :

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Juliusz Mikolasch was the founder of the first in Galicja Towarzystwo Rafinerii Spirytusu (Spirits Refinery Association). What was inside the bottle is unknown to me yet, it dates from 1902-1905. Baczewski was using that shape of bottles, too, in his catalogue it was under number 10:

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More to come…

Edited by absinthist, 10 March 2010 - 08:08 AM.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 11:56 AM

I'm on tenterhooks.
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 07:56 AM

Who sez this forum has no purpose anymore?
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 08:41 AM

Did it ever?

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 09:11 AM

Have there been Louche Fests?

Then it has.
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 09:38 AM

Far better'n nuthin'
but fresh air trapped
in a washed bottle.
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unless you prepare a great hot chocolate.

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 12:42 PM

It is history therein, profiteers™ with their Perd nos filth botsies can dream only of.
"therefore the injury that is to be done to a man ought to be of such a kind that one does not stand in fear of revenge"

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#34 absinthist

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 09:32 AM

We are back and stronger than before. Try harder, kids of the kindergarten.
"therefore the injury that is to be done to a man ought to be of such a kind that one does not stand in fear of revenge"

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#35 G&C

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 10:45 AM

...™

"It never was about absinthe anyway" - artemis 1/16/2015


#36 Bognoz

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 10:56 AM

I'll wee on yr back.
Pretty animal doesn't trust you,
unless you prepare a great hot chocolate.

#37 Bognoz

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 10:56 AM

...and yr front.
Pretty animal doesn't trust you,
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#38 Bognoz

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 10:57 AM

I'll wee on yr shoes
and in yr mouth
Pretty animal doesn't trust you,
unless you prepare a great hot chocolate.

#39 Bognoz

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 10:58 AM

at which point you'll
prolly swear yr drinking
piołunówka.

Butt only betterer.
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#40 absinthist

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 11:12 AM

I will spit on yer grave and it collapses to the very bowels of Hell.
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#41 Bognoz

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 11:18 AM

Heavy spit.
Pretty animal doesn't trust you,
unless you prepare a great hot chocolate.

#42 absinthist

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 11:31 AM

Indeed. And inevitable.
"therefore the injury that is to be done to a man ought to be of such a kind that one does not stand in fear of revenge"

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#43 Bognoz

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 12:06 PM

Piołunówka.
Pretty animal doesn't trust you,
unless you prepare a great hot chocolate.

#44 G&C

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 04:34 PM

xit.

"It never was about absinthe anyway" - artemis 1/16/2015


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Posted 23 April 2011 - 06:55 PM

We are back


Queen Vic, is that you?
To the bar, for flaming Hills enemas!

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 01:55 PM

We are back

...™

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 02:33 PM

Whatev, Guv.

Edited by Absomphe, 25 April 2011 - 03:04 PM.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 08:03 AM

That's "Chairman" to you, Major...
Je ne vais pas parler l'anglais plus. Ce n'est pas la chouette ! - Félix

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#49 Absomphe

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 02:56 PM

Most humbre aporogies, Honolabre Thujong Chang.

Edited by Absomphe, 26 April 2011 - 03:13 PM.

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