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Posted 31 October 2010 - 06:01 PM

Tuesday is take out the trash day.

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 06:24 PM

Ha!

I voted a week ago Friday.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 05:29 PM

Yeah, and replace it with even bigger trash?

Take the second picture, just as an example. Does anyone really think that Sharron Angle isn't just insipid and slow at tackling problems but simply batshit crazy?

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 06:45 PM

She's nasty.
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Posted 02 November 2010 - 06:08 AM

You say batshit crazy in such a pejorative way. I prefer the term, future lounger.

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 12:05 PM

Idjit liven
things up
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Posted 02 November 2010 - 01:29 PM

You want batshit crazy, this is batshit crazy.

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 01:52 PM

Prol just occasionally pretends to be batshit crazy.

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 02:15 PM

Amazing how different he looks
without the wacks.
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Posted 02 November 2010 - 03:12 PM

How did he get Jack's ear rings?
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Posted 02 November 2010 - 11:19 PM

Take the second picture, just as an example.

He kinda looks like I'd picture your father.

Don't give a shit about Nevada politics. I'm just glad Nancy Pee isn't the speaker anymo'.
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 12:47 AM

Seems like we
spend more time being pleased
that we got ridda some old garbage
than we oughta.

Garbage out.
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 12:49 AM

Politics used to be touted
as a selfless game. It's aim
was civil service.

Now it's all selfish gain.
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 05:53 AM

I liked her better than the new piece of xit.
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 08:19 AM

Me too.
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 08:35 AM

Before your coffee? Sorry, I thought it was after way too much LL.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 09:21 AM

That would explain the earrings.
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 09:52 AM

They come in handy for those impromptu louches.

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 08:28 AM

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 08:58 AM

Well, it wouldn't be bad if you could actually "vote different [sic]" like we can. Actually, we vote differently, but that's just because we know the difference between an adverb and an adjective.

"Different" doesn't mean "for the same collection of clowns we booted in 2008 and actually got us into this mess", now, does it? Some fine political system you have.

Not that voting differently helps. Here in Belgium, people voted differently (to elect people from a party not unlike tea-partiers, used only to foam at the mouth, say "no" and push ideas completely unpalatable to the others hence unimplementable) and we've been in gridlock for 150+ days.

Oh, welcome to gridlock city, by the way, Cros ;).

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 10:34 AM

Much of the planet seems to be in the grip of stupidity.
Good thing we have booze.
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Posted 05 November 2010 - 11:21 AM

Onacuz what's a party
without booze?
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Posted 05 November 2010 - 06:12 PM

Rye.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 07:58 PM

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Posted 06 November 2010 - 05:30 AM

That Kieth Olberman is a bigger idiot than I thought.
It may come as a surprise to some, but I consider myself to be conservative. It's true, I am often tolerant or sympathetic to the liberal view point, maybe more than I am of those claiming to be conservative but Rachel Maddow and Kieth Olberman have made me sick more than once.
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Posted 06 November 2010 - 06:08 AM

They can stretch the truth and out right lie with the best of those conservative hate talk hosts.
I listen to none of them, right, left or center. Keep selling fear and lies to keep the people listening for the next...

They have only their own interests at heart and could not give a fuck less about you, me or anyone else.
As long as they keep people tuning in for the next round of lies & hate, the longer they keep their jobs.

I actually heard that Rachel bitch say the NRA wanted to give guns all felons.
Not even close to what was actually said by the NRA spokesperson.

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Posted 06 November 2010 - 08:40 AM

You're right, it's about entertainment
not any kind of valid analysis of facts.

And only those enterprising felons
who have shown an interest in guns
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Posted 06 November 2010 - 10:20 AM

It should be easy for a non violent felon to regain voting rights and other privileges like owning a gun but I don't think it is.
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Posted 06 November 2010 - 12:52 PM

That's what the discussion was about.
If a felon is safe enough in public to be released from prison, then why are they not safe enough to own and carry a firearm? If they are not safe enough to own and carry in public, then perhaps they should not have been released from prison.

If one has truly paid their debt to society, why the continued persecution?

Maybe if we quit persecuting pot smokers and filling the jails with them, there would be more room for those violent offenders that should be executed incarcerated longer/indefinitely.

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Posted 06 November 2010 - 04:21 PM

That's what the discussion was about.
If a felon is safe enough in public to be released from prison, then why are they not safe enough to own and carry a firearm? If they are not safe enough to own and carry in public, then perhaps they should not have been released from prison.

Binary thinking. Everything in life is a compromise between avoiding false positives and avoiding false negatives. And change the a-priori distribution and the "rational" cut-off changes.

Mind you, if you want to look rationally at statistics and models the rational thing to do is probably to assume no one is safe enough to own and carry a firearm until proof of the contrary is given, and to issue no firearms to anyone without a cost/benefit and risk analysis (unfortunately, there are a lot of "false positives" if you assume otherwise, formerly decent people who pop a rivet and shoot people they personally know and would possibly have hurt but not murdered without easy access to firearms. In fact, there are more of these false positives that any other firearms victims).

But there's such a thing as your Constitution, of course, and the emotional attachment to guns as symbols of freedom that flows from the US's history and its Constitution. Sometimes, I wish the US mythology would have chosen a more benign symbol of freedom. Something like a rubber duck (or a tea bag?) to be pried from one's cold, dead hands.

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Posted 06 November 2010 - 04:42 PM

They might not have murdered if they did not have easy access? They might not murder if I shoot first, or maybe if they know I have a gun. People might not do a lot of things if they did not have easy access to a lot of things. Easy access to guns is a way of life for millions of people in this country, shooting dinner, shooting varmints, what's the problem?
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Posted 06 November 2010 - 04:57 PM

The problem is I don't have enough of them.

All mine were recently lost in a tragic boating accident.

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Posted 06 November 2010 - 04:59 PM

Ignore the cylon.
They're only wanting to disarm the population for easier control.

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Posted 06 November 2010 - 11:56 PM

But there's such a thing as your Constitution, of course, and the emotional attachment to guns as symbols of freedom that flows from the US's history and its Constitution.


Since you live in a cuntry the size of my wife’s closet, you wouldn’t understand the need to be self-sufficient in a land where law enforcement can be hours away. More importantly, when society goes to shit, you need to be able to fend for yourself. The powers that be have no obligation to protect you and it doesn’t take much to overwhelm the system.
I’ve never needed my guns, but if I ever woke to some asshole in my house, there would be one more motherfucker in need of burying. Yo be honest, it would not keep me up nights wondering if I did the right thing. Most Americans are not interested in following Europe’s victim model.
That said, some pussy-assed Progressive will prolly chime in about how they could never hurt some poor, misguided criminal, who is only rebelling against economic oppression.
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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:42 AM

I like EuroFuckyLand's model better than some wild west scenario.
I've come to the conclusion that it's time to get a passport.
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Posted 07 November 2010 - 06:15 AM

I like this country, I would not live anywhere in EuroFuckyLand, not for all the money in the world, same with those other countries, Islands and holdings. Does it really bother you that much that we own guns? My life in rural south western Virginia is pretty peaceful. Do you know how much crime there has been in my Neighborhood since I moved here in 1983? none, natta, zip. You cannot find a crime on the books that occurred here, unless you count my daughters boyfriends high speed, 2 block long chase 6 years ago. I live in a poor area too, I like to call it dogpatch, lots of kids with no jobs and no money,no hope, lots of desperate people in need, still no crime. My property tax is a pittance, my roads are paved, my hospital treats anyone that shows up sick or injured, my county is poor, still I am safe.
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Posted 07 November 2010 - 06:34 AM

Just wait 'till the Zombie Apocalypse comes.

You'll all wish ya had a gun or two handy.
With lots of ammo.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 06:38 AM

Or lived more than walking distance from them, I never saw a zombie drive.
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Posted 07 November 2010 - 06:47 AM

True.
However the Zombie Apocalypse has nothing to do with actual zombies.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 07:09 AM

I don't have a problem with you having a gun. I have an old Enfield .303 (1914 model) and I'd shoot a burglar too. That wasn't my point. I like this country too in many ways but I do prefer civilization to some Mad Max Teabag dystopia.
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Posted 07 November 2010 - 07:55 AM

I like Amerika.
Lived there a long time.
From the most sparcely populated
desert area of the southwest
to the people canyons of the wormy apple.
Big cuntry with lots to offer.

I left on a lark.
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Posted 07 November 2010 - 07:57 AM

Anybody else here have any
first-hand experience living
both inside and out?

It's different when you get there.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 12:59 AM

They might not have murdered if they did not have easy access? They might not murder if I shoot first, or maybe if they know I have a gun.


You're missing the point. "They" is usually someone you know [I'm using the singular for a purpose here], most likely someone you're in a relationship with. Not someone you "shoot first". Sure, if "they" doesn't have a gun "they" might still beat you to a pulp, push you down a flight or stairs or stab you with a knife, but your chances of survival are actually a lot higher than if "they" shoots you at point blank rage, and the likelyhood that "they" can actually regret what "they" is doing in time to save you is also greater. It's a lot harder to undo a bullet in someone's head than to refrain from hitting someone again and again.

Easy access to guns is a way of life for millions of people in this country,

Exactly. But it kills more than vermins.

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 01:02 AM

Does it really bother you that much that we own guns?

Not really. I'm not going to be shot. I'm just pointing out the fact that unrestricted gun ownership does have its drawbacks.

Do you know how much crime there has been in my Neighborhood since I moved here in 1983? none, natta, zip.

Mhh - no passionate murders or people who blow a fuse?

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 01:23 AM

Since you live in a cuntry the size of my wife’s closet, you wouldn’t understand the need to be self-sufficient in a land where law enforcement can be hours away.

Well, not everyone in your country lives in that kind of land either. I do understand that not everyone lives in an ant colony like Belgium or most US cities, though, and that changes things a lot. Especially given you don't live in a vacuum (you need a gun partly because others have unrestricted access to guns. Otherwise, it's like trying to drive on the left hand side of the road because it is more rational¹ while all the others continue to drive on the right hand side). Personally, I think that even were the US to move to more rational levels of firearm ownership, it would probably take a generation at least, because of all the firearms in circulation.

More importantly, when society goes to shit, you need to be able to fend for yourself.

If society goes to shit, guns aren't going to solve your problems either (society "went to shit" very badly twice around here in the previous century, and I don't think that private gun ownership would have made much difference, unless it had been organised as it is in Switzerland. But even in Switzerland, access to firearms isn't entirely unregulated). Even if society "goes to shit" here because people would e.g. get blown to bits by terrorists with increased frequency (there have been episodes in European history in which that was actually a real problem), a gun in your pocket wouldn't help.

Often, guns may make you feel more in control and safer, but that doesn't mean that you actually are.

The powers that be have no obligation to protect you

Well, they do. Whether you can trust "the powers" to live by those obligations is another matter, of course.

I’ve never needed my guns, but if I ever woke to some asshole in my house, there would be one more motherfucker in need of burying.

Unless you would be in need of burying (wait, did I just imply you weren't a motherfucker?)

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 06:59 AM

rational levels of firearm ownership

WTF would that be?

(society "went to shit" very badly twice around here in the previous century, and I don't think that private gun ownership would have made much difference,

Perhaps they would have if they hadn't been confiscated before hand. Good thing we Americans had plenty of guns to come save your asses both times huh? Prolly we won't be there for the third try. Maybe y'all had better get some guns.

The powers that be have no obligation to protect you

Well, they do. Whether you can trust "the powers" to live by those obligations is another matter, of course.

Not in this country. The SCOTUS has backed lower courts and have ruled "the police have no duty to protect the individual".
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If you restrict my access to guns, who keeps them from the criminals?


The police are not there to stop crime. How could they? How would/could they possibly know where and when to be?
Their mandate is to investigate and arrest after the fact.

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 07:20 AM

Six, when you talk about this subject, you are practicing a form of aggression, you think you have a better idea because guns make you piss your pants?
And yes, no crime, no lawn mowers stolen, no lovers shot, of course there was the case of the man coming home and finding his wife in bed with someone else, he pistol whipped the guy, broke his nose, shot him in the foot and made him walk 3 miles in the wintertime to find help, but that wasn't a crime, so no.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 11:27 AM

If you restrict my access to guns, who keeps them from the criminals?

Let me see if I've got this straight, yr saying
yr unrestricted access to guns prevents criminals
from having access to those guns?

Okey doke.

Butt how do I know yr not a criminal?
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 11:31 AM

The police are not there to stop crime.

The cop on the beat
is not a deterrent?

A police presence at an event has no effect
on the behavior of attendees?

You'd think donut shops
wd get robbed more often.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 11:36 AM

but that wasn't a crime, so no.

Are you xure?

You're not confusing the issue with the fact
that no arrest or prosecution took place?

Or is that why banjo music
is so prevalent in those hills?
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 12:33 PM

The cop on the beat
is not a deterrent?

Just something to avoid.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 12:37 PM

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 12:51 PM

a deterrent?

to avoid.

I'd say we'll just have to
agree to agree on this one.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 01:19 PM

The police are not there to stop crime.

The cop on the beat
is not a deterrent?

perhaps the few that may be in the right place... But the only time I see a cop is when I don't have the need.

A police presence at an event has no effect
on the behavior of attendees?

Not that I've seen. The cops usually group up and stay away from the crowd.

You'd think donut shops
wd get robbed more often.

4 police officers were murdered in a coffee shop.
http://www.komonews....l/78088192.html

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 01:26 PM

I'm just glad I don't live in a Defenseless Victims zone.
Chicago, New York, DC and LA come to mind. No wonder there is so much violent crime in those cities.

I am responsible for my own well being and protection.
I'm not so selfish as to rely on some other to protect me.

Besides after watching Joe Citizen shooting at the range vs many of the police I've seen training there, I'd hope the police are no where to be found when the xit hits the fan. Many cops can barely hit a 24"x36" target at 21'.

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 02:50 PM

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 05:41 PM

This whole argument is moot to me, I don't have a horse in this race because all laws are mere suggestions, I don't really give a xit what the popular vote says. While you all figure it out I'll be doing what I feel is right. I'm not sure who these laws concern, I don't need them and I don't accept that type of authority. I don't want or need more laws. Laws are a form of aggression and I do not accept that, on a personal level I will choose for myself.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 05:50 PM

"Are you xure?

You're not confusing the issue with the fact
that no arrest or prosecution took place?
Or is that why banjo music
is so prevalent in those hills?"

The man was arrested but acquitted, the judge would have the same verdict if he had killed the boy. And no, banjo music is prevalent here because there are a lot of musicians who like playing it.
I assume you are being condescending about rural life styles because you took my comment about not wanting to live anywhere else as an insult to the other countries, Islands and holdings, I did not mean it like that, I just meant that I am at home, such as it is.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 05:53 PM

And what the fuck, isn't the US one of the safest countries in the world?
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 07:24 PM

Well, it was before the police force tripled in size and became paramilitary.

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 09:53 PM

But the only time I see a cop is when I don't have the need.

And it always seems when I lose my keys
I find them in the last place I look.

The cops usually group up and stay away from the crowd.

But visible and present none-the-less.
Heisenbergian, wdn't you say?

4 police officers were murdered in a coffee shop.

In a "targeted attack".
"The suspect fled without taking any money."

But they all had guns.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 10:07 PM

I just meant that I am at home, such as it is.

And so I am, such as it is.
Which, except for the language
is a lot like where you live.

Only safer.
And less punitive -
personal story not-withstanding.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 10:14 PM

isn't the US one of the safest countries in the world?


In the world? Hardly.
Butt it's not the worst.
Not for murder, anyway.

http://www.nationmas...ders-per-capita

The US moves up the list
when you look at the percentage
of those murders committed
using firearms though.

http://www.nationmas...icides-firearms
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 10:50 PM

But they all had guns.

And too busy eating donuts.
Grouped up for an easy kill. Where was their situational awareness?

That's why I accept the responsibility for myself.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 11:43 PM

Shun donuts. And co-workers
and friends who carry.
Never let yr guard down.

Too many rules.
I'd snap.
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 05:15 AM

"Which, except for the language
is a lot like where you live."
I don't speak the native tongue here either
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 05:17 AM

Though he's been known to speak in tongues.
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 04:12 PM

Six, when you talk about this subject, you are practicing a form of aggression,


Not at all. What you are doing, though, is treating mere disagreement as a lack of respect, and that is an aggressive stance.

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 05:08 PM

Gasp, did you type "ou"? OMG, WTF! Where is the real Sixer?
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 07:16 PM

And what you are doing, 6, is confusing disagreeable with disagreeing. I got my feathers rustled because I am living in the culture that you are making off handed comments about. Of all your hobbies, interests and areas of expertise, what makes you think you are qualified enough on this subject for me, or for that matter, anyone to give a flying fuck what you think about the level of regulation, or lack of regulation, of guns, in this country?
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Posted 09 November 2010 - 08:36 PM

Sheet, how ya gonna tar 'n' feather a fellow
when someone dun rustled yr feathers?

Ain't no justice in this world no how.
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Posted 10 November 2010 - 12:38 AM

And what you are doing, 6, is confusing disagreeable with disagreeing.

You're continuing to illustrate my point.

what makes you think you are qualified enough on this subject

What makes you think freedom of expression depends on qualifications?

What makes you think that people should only voice opinions that you don't find unsettling?

If you disagree, voice your disagreement and come up with arguments. Stop whinging. If you simply don't give a flying fuck, then don't, and save your bile.

I don't consider it a sterile debate: I'm genuinely interested in what makes US people like their guns that much, and at least G&C and Cros are argumenting their positions. And I do read up on things, you see, if you do argument a position (which is why I don't consider this sterile: I genuinely learn things).

It's striking to find that in rural US, gun ownership is extremely wide spread but gun violence isn't; in the cities, gun ownership is actually not wide spread but gun related violence is (but correlation is not causation, of course). So there is an indication guns don't always cause problems, and that creates an interesting tension: the law is supposed to apply equally to everyone, but evidently not everyone lives in the same cultural setting, so the rational response for policing gun access is not the same for everyone.

It's also very obvious that some countries have draconian gun laws and that even when "police is hours away" in rural settings in these countries, gun violence (including armed robberies) can still be extremely low (and I'm not talking about Singapore --not my idea of fun-- but more countries like the UK, where as of 1997 handguns have been almost completely banned for private ownership). But of course, every country is different from any other, not only because of culture but also history (you can't just create a utopia in the void).

I was also bemused to find out that guns were, by and large, more dangerous to one person in particular in the owner's close circle: the owner. when someone gets killed with a gun, the most likely incident is suicide.

FIY, Belgium gun laws and crime incident rates etc. are a lot like those in Germany, if you want to peg us on a scale that has no Belgian data. French gun laws are a lot more lax.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 12:47 AM

Sheet, how ya gonna tar 'n' feather a fellow
when someone dun rustled yr feathers?


Perhaps it's time for a paraphrase of a poster seen at the Rally to Restore Sanity: "I disagree with you, so I'm pretty sure you must be Hitler".

Not that I mind Kirk lashing out. He wouldn't be Kirk without the bad hair days.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 05:51 AM

Paraphrasing is not used often enough, in my opinion.
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Posted 10 November 2010 - 06:45 AM

... I disagree with you, so I'm pretty sure you must be Hitler.


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Posted 10 November 2010 - 10:49 AM

It's striking to find that in rural US, gun ownership is extremely wide spread but gun violence isn't; in the cities, gun ownership is actually not wide spread but gun related violence is


Cities tend to have their own (and more restrictive by far) gun laws over and above those of the country and the state, some making it very difficult for law-abiding citizens to own, much less carry, guns. But criminals by definition don't give a shit about the law, thus they aren't impacted as much, if at all. Also, criminals tend to be proactive rather than reactive or merely prepared. People are concentrated in the cities, which means criminals are concentrated in the cities - more criminals per square mile. Do the math. It's not rocket surgery.
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Posted 10 November 2010 - 11:19 AM

Or brain science.

I live in a state with preemption.
No city or county can enact a gun law more restrictive than the state.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 11:20 AM

I refuse however to carry a knife.
There is no preemption on knife laws. Different cities have different laws concerning them.

Besides in Seattle, carrying a knife can get you shot.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 11:22 AM

Even if it's under the 3.5" length limit.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 12:22 PM

Does this have something
to do with The Cuff?
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Posted 10 November 2010 - 01:04 PM

You'd have to ask Jack.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 01:17 PM

Next thing you know
he'd be whipping out his blade.

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 01:23 PM

It's striking to find that in rural US, gun ownership is extremely wide spread but gun violence isn't; in the cities, gun ownership is actually not wide spread but gun related violence is (but correlation is not causation, of course). So there is an indication guns don't always cause problems, and that creates an interesting tension: the law is supposed to apply equally to everyone, but evidently not everyone lives in the same cultural setting, so the rational response for policing gun access is not the same for everyone.

Maybe we should ban cities.
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Posted 10 November 2010 - 01:32 PM

Nah, the folks that live in cities
get exactly what's cumming to 'em.
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Posted 14 November 2010 - 07:32 AM

It's not rocket surgery.


I didn't say it was strange: it's just striking.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 07:34 AM

Maybe we should ban cities.


Actually, there's an idea. Unfortunately people tend to flock together so they're hard to avoid.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 09:45 AM

Plus there are way to many people and not enough land if you spread them out.
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