Vintage Pernod varieties, and some other historical questions Options

[Tiburon]

Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .

[sixela]

Hello you all! This is my first post in here So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. 

Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?

This post has been edited by sixela: Dec 19 2003, 02:38 AM

[AquaMan]

By the way, Welcome Tiburon. Good question...what took you so long to finally post?

[absinthoman]

There were not coloring their absinthe in switzerland just cause the were bootlegging man!!They were doing it blanche because they wanted absinthe to look like any other alcool for the customs when they were shipping their stuff in USA and etc...

[Guest_Louched Liver_*]

Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .

Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?

ok

[Guest_Louched Liver_*]

Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .

Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?

ok

I meant-
yes.

[Guest_Louched Liver_*]

Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .

Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?

ok

I meant-
yes.

Well, ok would be ok.

[Guest_Louched Liver_*]

Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .

Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?

ok

I meant-
yes.

Well, ok would be ok.

ok?

[lambchop]

OK!
Hello FNG.

[Marc Chevalier]

ok
o.k.
OK
O.K.
Okeh
Okay
OKAY!

[Marc Chevalier]

Oh Kay!

(The title of a 1920s Broadway show.)

[Guest_Louched Liver_*]

Oh, shit.

[sheepprofessor]

There were not coloring their absinthe in switzerland just cause the were bootlegging man!!They were doing it blanche because they wanted absinthe to look like any other alcool for the customs when they were shipping their stuff in USA and etc...

???

[Marc Chevalier]

Okey dokey, artichokey.

[CelticGent]

Okily Dokily, neighbor!

[Rimbaud]

Hey noob!!!! Welcome!!!!

[Porkio]

I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html).


...Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)?

I've never heard of Pernod New Orleans, and as far as I am aware Pernod never operated any distillery inside the US. (there was a Pernod based in Pennsylvania I believe in the 1930s, but their product--Edouard Pernod Liqueur d'Anise--was not Absinthe and not distilled). The article you listed has no mention of a Pernod New Orleans, though it does mention Jade- the only REAL Burnt™ absinthe's Nouvelle Orleans being based on a brand that was popular in New Orleans, and that brand name is not mentioned. (perhaps it's a re-creation of vintage Herbsaint with added wormwood?)

Oxygenée absinthe claimed they circulated oxygen through their absinthe, and this somehow improved the quality. Sounds like junk science to me. I've heard Oxygenee was a good brand, though a bit light in comparison to Pernod's products.

[DrinkSlinger]

First of all. Hello, and welcome.

Then...

and read this forum for over a year or so.

Tough to do, since it hasn't been around for that long. Not even a year yet.

One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer.

The coloring step is there to add flavor. The color is just a byproduct of extracting the flavors. So yes, it was probably colored when absinthe was just a "medicine".

Swisss LB was most likely left as a blanche to ellude detection. Don't worry, a blanche can still taste mighty fine.

[Larspeart]

Good old LL. 5 posts, and less then 12 words total.

[Porkio]

when absinthe was just a "medicine".

It still is medicine.

[lambchop]

when absinthe was just a "medicine".

It still is medicine.

Word.

[DrinkSlinger]

ahhh, but it's no longer JUST a medicine.

[CelticGent]

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[Oxygenee]

Your Oxygenee questions answered:

http://www.oxygenee.com/absinthePOSTCARDS1.html

[sixela]

I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html).

I've never heard of Pernod New Orleans, and as far as I am aware Pernod never operated any distillery inside the US. (there was a Pernod based in Pennsylvania I believe in the 1930s, but their product--Edouard Pernod Liqueur d'Anise--was not Absinthe and not distilled). The article you listed has no mention of a Pernod New Orleans, though it does mention Jade- the only REAL Burnt™ absinthe's Nouvelle Orleans being based on a brand that was popular in New Orleans, and that brand name is not mentioned.

I distinctly remember someone claiming to have tasted a Ned Brew recreation of Edouard Pernod based on an Edouard Pernod *from Pontarlier*. Perhaps the Master Cook will chime in...

This post has been edited by sixela: Dec 17 2003, 08:58 AM

[Bumpferret]

ok
o.k.
OK
O.K.
Okeh
Okay
OKAY!

Don't forget:

[sixela]

Your Oxygenee questions answered:

http://www.oxygenee.com/absinthePOSTCARDS1.html

Ah -- interesting. Is Gempp-Pernod the name Charles Gempp gave to the product of the Edouard Pernod factory at Lunel once he took over (note to others: not a sell-out, IIRC, as he was family by marriage)?

So, Oxygenee, in case you missed my question: what happened to "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Pontarlier/Couvet) and "Gempp/Pernod".? Were they, in due course, also snatched up by the successors in interest of the unrelated Jules Pernod, just like "Pernod Fils" (the name, not the (now Nestle-Suchard) factory) was?

Or if they simply disappeared, when was the wreckage? Pre-ban, post-ban, before or after "Pernod Fils" went out of the hands of the second Louis Pernod (and thus the descendants of Henri-Louis Pernod)?

[To louchedlounge members: yes, I know this is soooo feeverte.net rather than in tune with the local style, but I didn't start this ]

[Bumpferret]

Is this going to be on the exam?

[Crosby]

Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .

Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?

ok

I meant-
yes.

Well, ok would be ok.

ok?

What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?

[Off. Jack Batema...]

Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .

Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?

ok

I meant-
yes.

Well, ok would be ok.

ok?

What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?

[CelticGent]

Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .

Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?

ok

I meant-
yes.

Well, ok would be ok.

ok?

What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?

[Off. Jack Batema...]

Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .

Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?

ok

I meant-
yes.

Well, ok would be ok.

ok?

What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?

[Crosby]

Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .

Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?

ok

I meant-
yes.

Well, ok would be ok.

ok?

What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?

[Off. Jack Batema...]

[quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]

[Crosby]

[quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
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[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]

[CelticGent]

[Bumpferret]

They look like the Chrysler Building.

[lambchop]

They look like the Chrysler Building.

[Off. Jack Batema...]

[quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL!

[lambchop]

I have vertigo.

[Crosby]

[quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really?

[Off. Jack Batema...]

[quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah.

[CelticGent]

you dirty bitches is makin my head hurt

[Crosby]

[quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya.

[Marc Chevalier]

Um,

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[Absinthe_1900]

I think I need a new pair of glasses.

[CelticGent]

you should be used to it after looking at your shirts!!

[Off. Jack Batema...]

[quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]

[Crosby]

[quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so.

[Porkio]

[quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?

[lambchop]

I'm gonna tell the Mayor on y'all.

[Crosby]

[quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too? [/quote]
Sure!

[Porkio]

[quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]


This post has been edited by Porkio: Dec 17 2003, 01:27 PM

[lambchop]

Ha!

[Crosby]

[quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]

[Off. Jack Batema...]

[quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]

[Crosby]

[quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]

[Porkio]

[quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]

[DGLeadbetter]

Can I quote you on that?

DG

[Porkio]

[quote=DGLeadbetter,Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]




Can I quote you on that?

DG [/quote]
Yes.

[gasspectro]

....still didn't answer the question, "What the fuck id IIRC?"

[DGLeadbetter]

"What the fuck id IIRC?"

I'm still trying to figure out the question.

DG

[Marc Chevalier]

IIRC = "If I recall correctly"


Yer welcome.

[Le Gimp]

I'm getting a headache!

Damn! :Gimpy:

[Bumpferret]

Scroll up and quickly wiggle your screen side to side. It's like drinking Filterated Czeckerland Xit Original.

[Crosby]

[quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 02:56 PM] [quote=DGLeadbetter,Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]




Can I quote you on that?

DG [/quote]
Yes. [/quote]

[Crosby]

We've hit the emoticon limit.

[gasspectro]

IIRC
Damn. I was hoping that this place would be a refuge from all that stupid internet chatroom stuff. You know, sit around, have a few drinks, and.....

[DGLeadbetter]

Yeah, thank goodness we're not like all those other losers.

DG

[Tiburon]

Thanks sixela! That cleared up a lot. BTW, do you or anyone else know what kind of changes they (Pernod) did to the recipe or manufacturing process over the years? As I know (as I`ve read in the internet) Tarragona had very different kind of flavor compared to the pre-ban absinthes of Pernod. So there must be some changes made to the formula when they changed the distillery to Spain. So there must be some difference in the taste of mid 1800`s Pernod compared to early 1900`s Pernod. Then again I don`t suspect that anyone of you have tasted them both ;) .

Aquaman:Thanks! It took me so long because before this I could find answers to all of my questions from the www, from previous questions in the absinthe forums, from books etc. =)

[Tiburon]

And thanks to Porkio too... (It`s quite hard to find the answers from this pile of skycrapers... :/ ).

[Porkio]

IIRC
Damn. I was hoping that this place would be a refuge from all that stupid internet chatroom stuff. You know, sit around, have a few drinks, and.....

OTOH FWIW, AFAIK I like to LOL but YMMV.

This post has been edited by Porkio: Dec 18 2003, 09:23 AM

[sixela]

IIRC
Damn. I was hoping that this place would be a refuge from all that stupid internet chatroom stuff. You know, sit around, have a few drinks, and.....

Who's talking about internet chatrooms?

IIRC, if I remember correctly, may even predate the invention of the emoticon, and was certainly used from pretty much day 1 on usenet forums, and not only in alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bestiality.hamster.duct-tape.

Sorry if my usenet background got to me. I promise not *try* to IIRC anyone anymore, but I could fail miserably -- too much conditioning.

This post has been edited by sixela: Dec 18 2003, 07:49 AM

[Rimbaud]

[quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 09:32 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 02:56 PM] [quote=DGLeadbetter,Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]




Can I quote you on that?

DG [/quote]
Yes. [/quote]
[/quote]

[Rimbaud]

[quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:34 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 09:32 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 02:56 PM] [quote=DGLeadbetter,Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]




Can I quote you on that?

DG [/quote]
Yes. [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]

[Rimbaud]

[quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:35 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:34 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 09:32 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 02:56 PM] [quote=DGLeadbetter,Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]




Can I quote you on that?

DG [/quote]
Yes. [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]

[Rimbaud]

[quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:39 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:35 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:34 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 09:32 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 02:56 PM] [quote=DGLeadbetter,Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]




Can I quote you on that?

DG [/quote]
Yes. [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]

[Crosby]

Cool!

[Rimbaud]

[quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:41 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:39 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:35 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:34 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 09:32 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 02:56 PM] [quote=DGLeadbetter,Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]




Can I quote you on that?

DG [/quote]
Yes. [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]

[DGLeadbetter]

Cool, but hurts my head.

DG

[Rimbaud]

[quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:47 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:41 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:39 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:35 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:34 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 09:32 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 02:56 PM] [quote=DGLeadbetter,Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]




Can I quote you on that?

DG [/quote]
Yes. [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]

[CelticGent]

[quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:47 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:41 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:39 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:35 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:34 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 09:32 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 02:56 PM] [quote=DGLeadbetter,Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]




Can I quote you on that?

DG [/quote]
Yes. [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]

[Crosby]

[quote=Celticgent,Dec 18 2003, 10:54 AM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:47 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:41 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:39 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:35 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:34 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 09:32 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 02:56 PM] [quote=DGLeadbetter,Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
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LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
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Can I quote you on that?

DG [/quote]
Yes. [/quote]
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Have we learned anything from this thread?

[DGLeadbetter]

I'm guessing .... no?

DG

[Marc Chevalier]

We've learned that Op Art is a guilty pleasure.

[Jethrow]

I had stopped drinking for the night, but half way through that mess I decided to pour another.

If this thread goes a full day and is still being posted in... can the moderators zero out off that and replace it with a simple:

If you must Quote other posts please pair them down to what is needed?Oh, and
:PayTFA:

I know... I am a recent offender too. However all that was just annoying.

[Crosby]

Imagine that!

[sixela]

If you must Quote other posts please pair them down to what is needed?

If someone sends me a PM, I can trim *my* message -- but, unfortunately, once others take it and run with it for miles...

This post has been edited by sixela: Dec 19 2003, 02:43 AM

[DGLeadbetter]

Yes, long quotes is a way of compensating for ..... um, well. Nevermind.

DG

[Guest_Louched Liver_*]

I did this because you fucks don't
listen to the simple thing.

[sixela]

I did this because you fucks don't
listen to the simple thing.

I do.



or

:PayTFA:

would have worked just fine, even in a simple PM. And caused less headaches, too (for board members).

You're a fiendish shill for aspirin - how much did Bayer pay ya?

[Guest_Louched Liver_*]

Not enough.
I still have to work.

[Absinthe_1900]

After all the nice quotes that played hell with my astigmatism, I thought this was in order.

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[louchefabrik]

You should play the "National Anthem"or something with that pattern

[Marc Chevalier]

Why the Indian chief?

[Marc Chevalier]

Head's test pattern head:

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[Marc Chevalier]

5 a.m. on the BBC:

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[Marc Chevalier]

On channel 13, right before the day's first OUR GANG episode:

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[Marc Chevalier]

Please stand by (for takeoff):

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[Marc Chevalier]

Brazilian test pattern:

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[Marc Chevalier]

5 a.m. on April 1st:

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[CelticGent]

test pattern at 1900's crib.

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[Marc Chevalier]

Wake up to this:

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[Marc Chevalier]

Or better yet, this:

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[Marc Chevalier]

And the aptly titled

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[Marc Chevalier]

Sweden says good night:

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[Marc Chevalier]

CBS, laughing at itself.

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[Marc Chevalier]

Alice Cooper-esque

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[Marc Chevalier]

Fine lookin' 1934 BBC Television tuning signal. For the handful of TV viewers at that time.

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[Marc Chevalier]

In 1929, the first experimental television service was broadcast by the BBC in collaboration with The Baird Company. At this time transmission took place for 30 minutes per day using the Baird 30-line system.

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[Marc Chevalier]

Grandma?

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Before the Indian chief killed him:

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[Rimbaud]

Test-pattern fetish, eh Chevy?

[Absinthe_1900]

test pattern at 1900's crib.

That one is very tame by comparision, I have ones that you need welders goggles to look at.

[CelticGent]

[Felis Catus]

The black and white indian head test pattern was in use when I was a little
kid.For some reason it scared the hell out of me.

Perhaps it was the shrieking sound accompanying it.

Some of Marc Chevalier's scare me now.

The days of test patterns are long gone.TV runs 24/7 now,and after 2 AM it is mostly infomercials.Stations also run public service announcements in the wee hours,so they do'nt interfere with prime time programming.

It's pretty funny to see PSA's aimed at kids in the middle of the night-"Stop,look and listen;remember,never walk in front of moving trains!"

I am finally getting satelite T.V in a week(and moving into the 20th century.)
I will then have more to choose from during insomnia attacks.

[Guest_Louched Liver_*]

You think you will, but you won't.
Read instead.

[Jethrow]

All those test patterns brought back hazy memories of my old Rocky Horror Picture Show days...

Cat Call: "What the Fuck is a Radio Picture?"

[Felis Catus]

Ah yes,The R.H.P.S days...T.P,rice,hot dogs,squirt guns,newspapers,toast,guys in drag(off-screen),lining up in front of The Tiffany on Sunset at 9P.M to get in first at 12 A.M,my mother putting makeup on my gay friend,nachos at Denny's at 3A.M,sleeping 'til noon, my gay friend sleeping on the floor,and so an and so on each Friday...Let's see,20-some times in a theater.

And then reliving it all on DVD..."I'm going home..."

How many times,Jethrow?And where?Can you remember through the green fog?

[DGLeadbetter]

32.5 times .... various places. I had the honor of seeing it when it was released first run in the theaters in 1975. Theater was packed when it started, and then before Rocky was born, my buddy and I were the only ones left in the theater.

Most of the viewings were in Stockton, California, 1978-1981.

DG

[Jethrow]

Hehe... How many times at Rocky? Dont even have a clue anymore...

I actually got recruited by a friend that was in the cast, so my 'virgin' night was spent playing Dr Scott and Eddie. Luckily I had watched it previously on an ancient 30th generation dubbed videotape of Rocky with japanese subtitles. This was all at the Lakehurst Mall Movie Theater in Waukegan, Il. I didnt act in it often, but I attended at the Lakehurst, Mundelein, Deerbrook and various other theaters. Also Acted at a community college campus in Wisconsin for thier March Madness shwoign of Rocky.

Several years later when the whole Rocky Revival and reunion thing when on everyone was into it. Half the theaters disallowed half the extra's, no toast, no rice, no squirtguns, no lighters, no FUN...

I hate going back, but I do every so often... it is usually disappointing...

[DGLeadbetter]

Yep, it's not like it was when I was a kid!

Jeeze ... I sound like my dad.

DG

[Felis Catus]

I saw R.H.P.S when it first came out ,also-with my dad.

There's nothing like watching a man in drag with your dad.

[Off. Jack Batema...]

I've never seen it.

[1888]

[quote=Crosby,Dec 18 2003, 03:55 PM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 18 2003, 10:54 AM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:47 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:41 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:39 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:35 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:34 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 09:32 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 02:56 PM] [quote=DGLeadbetter,Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)

So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.

Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.

[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]

"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.

"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).

"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.

"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).

"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).

There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).

All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).

I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).

The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
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Can I quote you on that?

DG [/quote]
Yes. [/quote]
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Have we learned anything from this thread?

[/quote]
HAHA! I always liked doing that. I know... simpleton.

[Absinthe_1900]

I've never seen it.

Never seen it either, same goes for the Lord of the Rings et al.