Full Version: Interstate wine sales goes to court
Neo-prohibitionists are gaining in power.
They aren't doing anything obvious,
just subtle, restrictive measures
to make us start choking.
Lower drunk levels (.05%, ie one drink),
arresting people in bars
because they MAY become a drunk driver,
and charging them with public drunkenness.
It's going to get worse.
They aren't doing anything obvious,
just subtle, restrictive measures
to make us start choking.
Lower drunk levels (.05%, ie one drink),
arresting people in bars
because they MAY become a drunk driver,
and charging them with public drunkenness.
It's going to get worse.
At least she's managed to survive her toil.
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Vintner was a perfect second career for Swedenburg, who is now in her late 70s, despite the hard work.
QUOTE(Grey Boy @ Dec 4 2004, 08:33 PM)
... arresting people in bars
because they MAY become a drunk driver,
and charging them with public drunkenness.
because they MAY become a drunk driver,
and charging them with public drunkenness.
I haven't heard that.
So, if I think about getting
drunk, would I be in trouble?
Of course, Bumpferret. That's thoughtcrime.
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I saw a thing on tv about that winery tonight. It seems the main problem is with laws in the "receiving" states, which, luckily is just a relative few (so far). Why not just require the signature of someone over 21 before delivering the alcohol?
Sure, you'll have the same problem with fake ids, and what not, but since we'll soon all have little chips implanted in our arms, it will get harder and harder to fake.
Then everyone can stay in business, and the big, evil threat of letting our innocent, impressionable youth obtain alcohol over then internet will be no more. Or, wait, here's a better idea. How bout holding the kids responsible for their own actions? Hmm. Naw.
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I saw a thing on tv about that winery tonight. It seems the main problem is with laws in the "receiving" states, which, luckily is just a relative few (so far). Why not just require the signature of someone over 21 before delivering the alcohol?
Sure, you'll have the same problem with fake ids, and what not, but since we'll soon all have little chips implanted in our arms, it will get harder and harder to fake.
Then everyone can stay in business, and the big, evil threat of letting our innocent, impressionable youth obtain alcohol over then internet will be no more. Or, wait, here's a better idea. How bout holding the kids responsible for their own actions? Hmm. Naw.
i didn't know anybody was responsible for their actions anymore. 
Notice the libertarians are trying to help her and other shippers and producers?
See why the government in your life sucks? Makes life harder on us boozers and booze-merchants.
See why the government in your life sucks? Makes life harder on us boozers and booze-merchants.
QUOTE(Bumpferret @ Dec 5 2004, 01:13 PM)
QUOTE(Grey Boy @ Dec 4 2004, 08:33 PM)
... arresting people in bars
because they MAY become a drunk driver,
and charging them with public drunkenness.
because they MAY become a drunk driver,
and charging them with public drunkenness.
I haven't heard that.
So, if I think about getting
drunk, would I be in trouble?
This story is from Jan. 2003.
I need to find the story I read about it happening more recently.
We are becoming a muslim country! No booze, no Christmas- WTF!!!
I fail to see how alcohol shipments from out of state are any different from alcohol shipments within the state, with regard to underage drinking.
It's all about the taxes. The receiving state can't tax it if'n they don't know it's coming in.
It's all about the taxes. The receiving state can't tax it if'n they don't know it's coming in.
Trainer, I agree, especially in VA where ALL alcohol is sold/distributed by Alcohol Beverage Control. There is no competitive market as there are no private liquor stores, and liquor must have a "tax stamp". Virginia has some of the strictest DUI laws in the Country, and the State, er, Commonwealth, singularly provides all of the alcohol. We also suffer from limited selection, although that's getting better. I mentioned awhile back that a bar in Richmond is touting an "absinthe drip", using Absente that can be purchased from ABC as a special order. Wait a minute, is that really progress?
As conservative as this Commonwealth is, you still can't be charged criminally for something you may do in the future. In Virginia, "Drunk in Public" is a stand alone charge (usually a local ordinance) and not related to DUI, so saying they were arrested because they may become a drunk driver is not valid. Where I live/work, it's the same County Ordinance as being Disorderly in Public, and just having alcohol in your system doesn't necessarily qualify you for the charge. You have to do something due to your intoxication that makes you disruptive, disorderly, or hazardous.
As conservative as this Commonwealth is, you still can't be charged criminally for something you may do in the future. In Virginia, "Drunk in Public" is a stand alone charge (usually a local ordinance) and not related to DUI, so saying they were arrested because they may become a drunk driver is not valid. Where I live/work, it's the same County Ordinance as being Disorderly in Public, and just having alcohol in your system doesn't necessarily qualify you for the charge. You have to do something due to your intoxication that makes you disruptive, disorderly, or hazardous.
I've been drunk, disruptive, disorderly and hazardous in Richmond, and even I escaped without a record.
No kiddin'? Sorry I missed that. My drunk and disorderly days are over, unless you count tripping over the sofa in the living room.
New article, same topic, more plantiffs.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/12/06/scotus.w...ents/index.html
The law is socialist bullshit no matter how you slice it. The government has NO BUSINESS in BUSINESS. Period. They are creating state-held monopolies which hurt small producers AND all consumers by jacking up prices via a surplus of middle-men.
By allowing direct sales, you cut out 2 or 3 whole tiers of middlemen and gobs of red-tape and policy.
Current alcohol sales are a scam. If this gets shut down by the SC, it would be the strick constructionist judges that do it.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/12/06/scotus.w...ents/index.html
The law is socialist bullshit no matter how you slice it. The government has NO BUSINESS in BUSINESS. Period. They are creating state-held monopolies which hurt small producers AND all consumers by jacking up prices via a surplus of middle-men.
By allowing direct sales, you cut out 2 or 3 whole tiers of middlemen and gobs of red-tape and policy.
Current alcohol sales are a scam. If this gets shut down by the SC, it would be the strick constructionist judges that do it.
QUOTE(Hans Conried @ Dec 6 2004, 11:24 PM)
I mentioned awhile back that a bar in Richmond is touting an "absinthe drip", using Absente
What you do is, you keep the bottle of Absente on the shelf and pour from that bottle for anyone you don't know. The regulars get something from the bottle that you keep under the bar.
I had the same thought. Someday when I own a bar.
Someday, when tiny elephants launch forth from Abe Vigoda's nostrils...
How common is it really for underage people to mail-order alchohol? I'll bet that the percentage of product consumed by minors is smaller for online distributors than the typical liquor store.
Here's what the web site of my favorite beer, Arrogant Bastard has to say about it:
Here's what the web site of my favorite beer, Arrogant Bastard has to say about it:
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Some state's good-ol'-boy network of mega corporate brewers and distributors have lined the pockets of politicians sufficiently for the state to enact protectionist laws that prohibit beer and wine to be shipped into their state. Amusingly, they use the old "Protect the Children" line, as if (1.) a person under 21 is going to steal a credit card from their parents, (2.) order an expensive beer or wine that there is little likelyhood that they would have heard about in the first place, (3.) wait the several days for it to arrive and (4.) bribe the UPS guy to not require the mandatory adult signature all in order to (5.) drink a product that will be way too mature for their palate. Realistically, the minor is going to get a fake ID, go to their local liquor store and buy wine coolers that taste like fruit punch instead.
The true reality: big corporations want to have the sale go through their hands so they don't miss out on making money on that sale. And, of course, these states don't want to miss out on the precious little tax dollars from the sale as well. If you care about your rights and freedoms to enjoy diversity in your home, make sure you voice your opinions to your local politicians!
The true reality: big corporations want to have the sale go through their hands so they don't miss out on making money on that sale. And, of course, these states don't want to miss out on the precious little tax dollars from the sale as well. If you care about your rights and freedoms to enjoy diversity in your home, make sure you voice your opinions to your local politicians!
The right-wing moralist bastids on the court could screw it up for all of us as far as commercial purchases. Just in case I placed an order this morning.
No shit. I wish I had the thought of ordering booze when I was under 21. I was too busy trying to obtain a fake ID or getting someone else to buy it. It's really just an excuse.
QUOTE(Larspeart @ Dec 7 2004, 12:11 PM)
...socialist bullshit...government...BUSINESS...BUSINESS...red-tape and policy...judges... I like to see my own words lit up on the monitor...everyone else probably loves my aimless screeds...yada, yada...
Is it your goal
to force the mods' hands
so that we have to move
every stinkridden topic to the xithole?
Do you not know
that we are lazy bastidges who have
more entertaining things to do than
clean up after the likes of you?
Do you not stay on top of hot topics in the Lounge?
Is your short-term memory deficient,
or just your prefrontal executive function?
Do you think you could kindly
save this kind of xit for the xithole?
I'd rather spend my whole day yelling at Djoor Knob, piece of xit.
Oh, he begs it.
"What you do is, you keep the bottle of Absente on the shelf and pour from that bottle for anyone you don't know. The regulars get something from the bottle that you keep under the bar. "
if you do it in virginia, you best not let the VA-ABC catch you serving to the public like that they WILL suspend you liquor liscence and/or fine you several thousand dollars. here in virginia there is a stamp that goes on EVERY bottle that restaurants get, there are two numbers on it, one is YOUR ABC liscence # on one line and the other is a number that has the store's # and your order # on the other line. if you even order from a different store you have to give them your last order # so the numbers remain consecutive and your required to remove the stamps when you dispose of the bottles (yes a real P.I.T.A.). now, on the other hand you could have a private BYO (closed to the public) absinthe party if you don't charge to serve the drink (but you could charge a cover).
if you do it in virginia, you best not let the VA-ABC catch you serving to the public like that they WILL suspend you liquor liscence and/or fine you several thousand dollars. here in virginia there is a stamp that goes on EVERY bottle that restaurants get, there are two numbers on it, one is YOUR ABC liscence # on one line and the other is a number that has the store's # and your order # on the other line. if you even order from a different store you have to give them your last order # so the numbers remain consecutive and your required to remove the stamps when you dispose of the bottles (yes a real P.I.T.A.). now, on the other hand you could have a private BYO (closed to the public) absinthe party if you don't charge to serve the drink (but you could charge a cover).
True confession time: I do have a bottle of Absente on the shelf that I pour for myself when I'm thinking about my credit card balances and my bottles of real absinthe with only 1-2 shots left.
No credit card balance could make me drink that shit.
I had a bottle of it once. I flushed it.
QUOTE(Off. Jack Batemaster @ Dec 8 2004, 02:28 AM)
I'd rather spend my whole day yelling at Djoor Knob, piece of xit.
Isn't that what you're already doing?
QUOTE(MrGreenGenes @ Dec 7 2004, 11:03 PM)
I do have a bottle of Absente on the shelf that I pour for myself when I'm thinking about my credit card balances
Is that a negative-reinforcement thing?
"Spent too much this month . . . must punish self . . ."
Oh please. HB Pastis is cheaper AND better than Absente. I even think RICARD is cheaper and better.
One of my favorite liquor stores carries HB, Ricard and Absente. They are priced in that order.
One of my favorite liquor stores carries HB, Ricard and Absente. They are priced in that order.
I was suckered by the van Gough portrait on the box and the spoon that came with it - the cheapest looking die cut spoon in my collection.
I agree with the PV.
The Henri Bardouin is excellent,
it is also produced via distillation, not oil blending.
Gimpy posted this link previously.
The Henri Bardouin is excellent,
it is also produced via distillation, not oil blending.
Gimpy posted this link previously.
The Supreme Court heard the oral arguments yesterday on interstate wine shipments. Based on the quetsions asked, it doesn't look like the ban will survive. 
QUOTE(MrGreenGenes @ Dec 8 2004, 11:14 AM)
I was suckered by the van Gough portrait on the box...
Silly boy.
QUOTE(TheGreenOne @ Dec 8 2004, 12:03 PM)
The Supreme Court heard the oral arguments...
I used to have those with my ex-GF. I was pro-oral sex, she was against. Did I mention she's my EX?
QUOTE(MrGreenGenes @ Dec 8 2004, 08:14 AM)
I was suckered by the van Gough portrait on the box and the spoon that came with it - the cheapest looking die cut spoon in my collection.
I nought it because of the glass & spoon that came with it. Later I sold them both. I did keep the bottle however, as it has the embossed 'croix' in the glass. I want to remove the label and use it to store my own booze.
Maybe I could trade the empty bottle for an HG sample.
Regarding the subject of the thread, an article in the paper on this subject quoted someone as warning that "our entire system of interstate alcohol regulation is threatened."
Just as with the gay marraige issue, my reaction is "and the danger of that is what?"
Regarding the subject of the thread, an article in the paper on this subject quoted someone as warning that "our entire system of interstate alcohol regulation is threatened."
Just as with the gay marraige issue, my reaction is "and the danger of that is what?"
MC - dump the Absente down the sink. Go to the liquor store and shell out $20 for a full 750ml bottle of Arak Razzouk.
QUOTE(sixela @ Dec 8 2004, 04:19 AM)
Isn't that what you're already doing?
Notice I didn't move any posts.
More on the "mention of absinthe":
http://www.collegiatetimes.com/index.php?ID=4706
I would do it again too, but please don't brag about it to the media, especially if you are under 21.
http://www.collegiatetimes.com/index.php?ID=4706
I would do it again too, but please don't brag about it to the media, especially if you are under 21.
QUOTE(Off. Jack Batemaster @ Dec 8 2004, 02:44 PM)
MC - dump the Absente down the sink. Go to the liquor store and shell out $20 for a full 750ml bottle of Arak Razzouk.
That doesn't have Seagram, Smirnoff, or Bacardi in the name. Are you sure they sell it in Washington State?
Ah Washington state, home of the government run liqour stores! Actually the prices there are decent. I'm going up there in about two weeks. It's a hell of a lot better than what my dad was able to get when we lived in Utah.
Liquor.
In posting and imbibing, the old adage holde true: haste makes waste.
In posting and imbibing, the old adage holde true: haste makes waste.
Um, no - the prices in WA state are very high. If you think they're not, you must be Kanadienne. Where's Cros???
Arak Razzouk is difficult to find, but they do sell it in WA state.
Arak Razzouk is difficult to find, but they do sell it in WA state.
Almost forgot:
QUOTE(Crosby @ Dec 8 2004, 09:47 PM)
Oh yeah, got a bottle of that right here...good stuff, sorta reminds me of Kubler without the tails.
QUOTE(Off. Jack Batemaster @ Dec 8 2004, 05:25 PM)
Um, no - the prices in WA state are very high. If you think they're not, you must be Kanadienne. Where's Cros???
Arak Razzouk is difficult to find, but they do sell it in WA state.
Arak Razzouk is difficult to find, but they do sell it in WA state.
Last time I was there (a year ago) prices on a few bottles that we picked up were better than they were down here. Perhaps CA is just more expensive. Only some booze was cheaper, and some was equal. Hard to judge unless you establish a solid control list for comparison.
Doesn't Utah have to charge an extra Church Tax?
After all, they don't believe in drinkin', but that doesn't mean they shouldn't get money from it.
After all, they don't believe in drinkin', but that doesn't mean they shouldn't get money from it.
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