You have supplied said facts in ample proportion.

Ok, I'll bite.

edit: To summarize for those who can't read posts longer than 3 lines: be careful where you leave your illegal xit.


First take a look at the Constitution. The fourth amendment clearly states:

For more info see US Constitution: 4th amendment

This applies to search warrants which must specify not only what they are searching for, but also where they are allowed to search.

Any evidence found outside the scope of the search cannot be used against you in a court of law.

The only exception to this, that I am aware of, is the plain-view doctrine. ref. Arizona v. Hicks, 480 U.S. 321, 107 S.Ct. 1149, 94 L.Ed.2d 347 (1987).

In order for this to apply there are many requirements:

1. The officer must be legally present where the object is seen.

If the officer is searching for a television, and finds a kilo of cocaine in your dresser drawer, you cannot be charged with the cocaine. The officer does not have the authority to open your drawer unless it is of sufficient size to hold a television (in which case you would be fuxor).

2. It must be immediately apparent that the item is subject to seizure. Recognition must be immediate and not the result of further prying or investigation.

Arizona v. Hicks: Search warrant was issued for Hicks and weapons. While there the police suspected two expensive stereo systems in a shabby apartment of being stolen. They ran the serial numbers, and no surprise they were stolen, but they were dropped from the charges since it was not immediately apparent and required further investigation.


There are a few more requirements, if you care then do your own research. If not, don't.

Following the logic of your own argument:

An officer searching for marijuana would certainly have the reason and the legal right to look inside a cabinet large enough to hold a still. A still is bigger than a joint.

It would not require any additional investigation to determine whether a still is legal.

No need for the still to be on the warrant.

You, sir, are a dipshit.

I certainly can, but I don't choose to. Especially yours and that one. Bladee-bladee-yammery-yam-blah.

And, Kirk:

If you are going to call someone a dipshit please do a little research on the subject first.

US laws are a lot more convoluted than you think. Here in America laws are written to protect the innocent as much as possible, and if that creates a few loopholes and lets off some of the guilty as well so be it. There is the old saying "better to let ten guilty men go free than convict one innocent man." This holds a lot of sway in the judicial system.



This argument is completely futile since there will always be some sort of circumstance you can create where the plain-view doctrine will apply, just as I can always come up with an opposing argument where it will not apply.

That being said I will humor you further with a rebuttal. Let me use your own example.

The police have obtained a warrant to search your house because they noticed you had a number of high wattage grow lights. Legal precedence has established that this warrant must not be at all general or vague about exactly what and where they are to search (ex. Marijuana plants growing in the garage).

The police will come into your house and investigate the room where the supposed marijuana grow operation is taking place, and establish that you are growing legal herbs and not marijuana. At this time they do not have the authority to investigate further. As long as the cabinet with your still is not in your grow room you should be fine.

Now if you are foolish enough to say yes when they ask you if they can look around you might very well get busted for your still.


Word to the wise: do a little research on your rights before you do anything illegal.

Any officer with half a brain (a rare breed, admittedly) looking for a grow room would also be looking for cut/dried herb.

However, please do whatever you want. Just don't encourage others with your naivete.



. . . and there's still no point to growing the herbs used in absinthe production indoors, with the exception of the few that are used in very small quantity (coloring herbs) and require very particular climatic conditions. Two out of the three primary herbs are WEEDS which will grow almost anywhere, and you'd have to grow such large quantities of them for use that you'd just about need a hydroponic warehouse in order to produce enough for 15-20L/year.

I suggest you read the historic recipes at www.feeverte.net and familiarize yourself with the herbs and their growing habits. Most of the herbs may be acquired at your local health food store. They'll be old, overly-dried, and full of twigs, but you'll be able to learn just how vast a quantity of herbs goes into absinthe.

So you’re saying you won?

Apparently so.

Please see Trainer's post:


Next,
find definition of sarcasm.

Lastly;
Fuck off.

Who the fuck is Molecock?

Don't know,
fuck him.

Two weeks into the new year, and we have our first winner.

I don't want involvement in the argument, but this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard about our country's laws. They are written to govern and dictate. They are force fed to a carefully molded population through a cencored media and specific publicized trials causing national bias to any current world situation. The whole "Here to protect the innocent" went out with Dragnet.
In the words of Bill Hicks, "You are free....to do what they tell you."


This is the final point for both sides of the argument. Law enforcement will always create circumstantial evidence that gives reason for a more thorough search.
No one is arguing that you know your laws man. But just because you have that knowledge, doesn't mean Johnny Law doesn't also...and face to face, potential criminal to cop, a jury is going with the cop every time.

Somebody needs to pop a cap in Molecock, and quick.

If you get served with a search warrant, and they see something other than what they are looking for, you're still screwed. Probable cause is pretty much a given when they run into it (a still) while searching for anything else.
Also (and this might need clarification by those who know artemisia) I'm sure it can take cold winters, as it originated from EuroFuckyLand, right? Anyways, thats alot of law talk, including talking about your "tomatos."

I think we all lost, just by reading through this waste of time thread.

Summary - Distillation in the US without a permit is illegal. Growing absinthe herbs indoors is a waste of time and money. This discussion is long and boring.

It's so nice to spend the 9 minutes I have each day on the internet wading through this junk.

I'm bitch slapping every stoopid member that even attempted to add intelligence to this thread. Argue about which absinthe tastes better, which spoon is keweler, and how Ned and Justin are going to take over the french speaking world... not what laws may or may not apply to certain hypothetical situations.

For god sakes, have a drink!

That's the best advice in this thread!

Who's this Drinkslinger guy and why does he act like he owns the place. I say ban the sumbitch:)

He's a towel salesman.

A used towel salesman.

Would you buy a towel from this man?

If I were wet enuff.

Nope, but I might possibly be interested in a pair of shoes! I do have a costume party next week to go to, and this year I'm going as a Metrosexual!

Darn!

And newbies complain about the treatment they receive?

Look at what we're doing to admins when they post an excellent on-topic post somewhere...

Where?

Not me. I didn't read a damned word of it except for your post.

I use the post filter.

but that's only because I didn't have any posts, right?

You know it sugar-nipples. Your posts tingle in my ears like the voices of an angelic choir.

you sweet talking bitch!

tee-hee your post made me tweak my sugar-nipples!

CeeGee, if you grow much more indoors - you'll be one of those bedridden guys who is unable to get through a doorway.

Actually he only grows outdoors now since his house exploded from his fatness.

bastard.

you're just jealous of my sailor suit.

I bet your ass would make a great (big) s'more...

I ain't afraid of no ghost.
http://xenafan.com/movies/ghostbusters/ghostbusters.mp3

HOLY SHIT!!!

We're gonna need a whole shitload of graham crackers & chocolate and one hell of a motherfuckin' campfire...

We could use What's his fuck as kindling and use Absomph to fuel the fire.

And you would undoubtedly (and correctly) call everything burnt.

Only if they go Commercial.

I think you'd do the better job . . .

HA!

Seventh post ,
the next one was me talking about a tow truck coming to get him out .
You can't recycle jokes wirhin the same thread .

Sorry. I didn't read most of this thread for several reasons. It was started by Molecock, it looked really boring, some of the postie thingies were longer than 6'er's footnotes, I hardly read any of CeeGees posts, neither.

Is your head wirhin'?

hmm, you might be smarter than i thought..

Nah, it's a stopped clock being right twice a day thing.

Does anyone here grow pot too? Is wormwood like pot?

No.

More like Pol Pot.

Wormwood can be used JUST like pot, actually.

Smoke it, or make brownies with it. YUM!

Browneye.