TheGreenOne
Nov 1 2005, 01:44 PM
Gets its day in court.
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Supreme Court Takes Up Hallucinogenic Tea Case
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court debated Tuesday whether to let a small congregation in New Mexico worship with hallucinogenic tea, the first religious freedom dispute under Chief Justice John Roberts.
Justice Sandra Day O'Connor seemed skeptical of the Bush administration's claim that the tea can be banned, but she may not be around to vote in the case.
About 130 members of a Brazil-based church have been in a long-running dispute with federal agents who seized their tea in 1999. The hoasca tea, which contains an illegal drug known as DMT, is considered sacred to members of O Centro Espirita Beneficiente Uniao do Vegetal.
The Bush administration contends the tea is not only illegal but potentially dangerous.
The Supreme Court has dealt with religious drug cases before. Justices ruled 15 years ago that states could criminalize the use of peyote by American Indians. But Congress changed the law to allow the sacramental use in tribal services of peyote, a bitter-tasting cactus that includes the hallucinogen mescaline.
O'Connor pointed out during Tuesday's argument that Congress changed the rules. She interrupted the Bush administration lawyer in his opening statement and peppered him with difficult questions.
Other justices also seemed concerned by the government's claim that an exception could be made for peyote, but not for hoasca tea.
"That is a rather rough problem under the First Amendment," said Justice Stephen Breyer.
Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote the 1990 peyote opinion, said tribes have been using peyote - "a demonstration you can make an exception without the sky falling."
Hallucinogenic tea and a falling sky. It all fits together.
Selmac
Nov 1 2005, 04:24 PM
It made me vomit and defecate simultaneously.
DrinkSlinger
Nov 1 2005, 07:25 PM
Is there a lot of Thu jone z in this tea?
jaded prol
Nov 1 2005, 07:31 PM
Vomiting and defacating simultaneously doesn't sound like a good time.
Crosby
Nov 1 2005, 07:32 PM
DMT only lasts about 15 minutes, so everyone would be straight by the time church lets out.
jaded prol
Nov 1 2005, 07:35 PM
Might be worth it if the trip lasts longer than the vomiting . . .
DrinkSlinger
Nov 1 2005, 07:37 PM
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DMT only lasts about 15 minutes
Just long enough for the Shaman to touch a few booties!
Crosby
Nov 1 2005, 07:47 PM
I think Smellsac was talking about peyote. DMT should not have those side effects.
Crosby
Nov 1 2005, 07:50 PM
Amsterdam has the right idea:
Selmac
Nov 2 2005, 08:21 AM
QUOTE(Crosby @ Nov 1 2005, 11:07 PM)
I think Smellsac was talking about peyote. DMT should not have those side effects.
True, DMT in and of itself does not have that effect. Deriving it from plant sources, and coupling it with other plants containing MAOIs (preventing the breakdown of DMT in the digestive tract) has a wide range of side effects. Smoked DMT does only last a few minutes, but ayahuasca is a different breed of animal. Best to stick to cubensis.
Oddly enough, banning the plants commonly used to make this stuff would be of little consequence. Any person with enough knowledge can walk into a forest and find plants containing DMT, it's not uncommon.
SubSailor
Nov 2 2005, 12:53 PM
Is DMT the same stuff that is in Salvia? I would imagine it's just a matter of time until Saliva suffers the same fate.
Kirk
Nov 2 2005, 01:29 PM
I thought they banned saliva?
SubSailor
Nov 2 2005, 01:34 PM
Not yet, but I'm sure it's just a matter of time til they do.
Selmac
Nov 2 2005, 01:52 PM
QUOTE(SubSailor @ Nov 2 2005, 04:13 PM)
Is DMT the same stuff that is in Salvia? I would imagine it's just a matter of time until Saliva suffers the same fate.
Nope, the active compound in Salvia (Salvinorin) is unique to that mint.
SubSailor
Nov 2 2005, 02:45 PM
Hmm, well that Salvia is some wild shit. Got a real kick out of watching my wife roll around on the floor laughing for five minutes straight!
jaded prol
Nov 2 2005, 02:46 PM
Didn't do anything for me.
SubSailor
Nov 2 2005, 02:50 PM
Thats what I thought the first time so I loaded another, took a huge puff and held it for about 30 seconds. Don't remember much after that.........
TheGreenOne
Nov 2 2005, 03:19 PM
Oscar
Nov 2 2005, 04:57 PM
Salvia likes to be rectally taken.
Grey Boy
Nov 2 2005, 07:22 PM
I read that as saliva.
Le Gimp
Nov 3 2005, 05:52 AM
I never tried Salvia (and probably never will), however I did have a pretty rough experience last time I tried mushrooms (1975).
We used to pick cubensis in the cow pastures of north FL (around Jacksonville) where they grew in abundance. We would chop them up, boil them (they did grow in cow shit) , let the solids settle and pour off the clear liquid. To this we would add Welches Instant Frozen Limeaid to try (it didn't work) to cover the taste.
Contrary to what some people claim, you can trip balz™ on them. In addition to visual and auditory hallucinations, they can induce a nasty pass out which is followed by waking up not knowing (1) who you are, (2) where you are, (3) what you are doing, (4) who the people around you are, etc. Recovery time is around one minute from the full system reset, if you are lucky.
Oh no, no, no I don't do that no more.
I'm tired of waking up on the floor.....
Kirk
Nov 3 2005, 06:21 AM
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Not yet, but I'm sure it's just a matter of time til they do.
That figures,
spit is about all we own anymore.
sheepprofessor
Nov 3 2005, 09:20 AM
QUOTE(SubSailor @ Nov 2 2005, 06:10 PM)
Thats what I thought the first time so I loaded another, took a huge puff and held it for about 30 seconds. Don't remember much after that.........
Selmac
Nov 3 2005, 12:01 PM
There is not much to "enjoy" about salvia (it's extremely powerful, but not fun in the conventional sense). That's probably why it's not scheduled. Doing so would just bring more attention to it than it deserves.
Porkio
Nov 3 2005, 01:31 PM
Hey SheepstER!!!
Try smokin' banana peels. That will make yer nutz trip all hard and xit.
Crosby
Nov 3 2005, 09:11 PM
sheepprofessor
Nov 3 2005, 11:19 PM
Interesting: caffeine fucks things up more than grass. Who'd a thunk it?
GreenGullet
Nov 4 2005, 12:31 AM
Spiders on low doses of LSD spin more perfect webs than normal; they are more geometrically regular and have a larger catching area.
Kirk
Nov 4 2005, 06:38 AM
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Interesting: caffeine fucks things up more than grass.
Not surprising since caffeine is physically addictive and more toxic than pot.
Le Gimp
Nov 4 2005, 06:50 AM
Oh, shit. You mean I should have given up coffee instead of pot years ago.
Now someone tells me.
sheepprofessor
Nov 4 2005, 07:08 AM
No shit. I sure do feel like a chump.
Look lilke one too.
greeneyes
Nov 4 2005, 01:47 PM
QUOTE(Oscar @ Nov 2 2005, 09:17 PM)
Salvia likes to be rectally taken.
greeneyes
Nov 4 2005, 01:48 PM
I've had salvia. Whoo, mama! It's good in marinara.
Porkio
Nov 4 2005, 02:03 PM
I always love those BS studies, as if Spiders and humans have the same brain!
Funny thing is when I take LSD and try to write anything, it ends up looking exactly like that spider web.
TheGreenOne
Nov 4 2005, 02:13 PM
Spiders and humans having the same brain is ludicrous. What spider would get us caught in Ira... oh, never mind.
jaded prol
Nov 4 2005, 02:32 PM
and being "sprayed" with something is an odd way to compare. Heck, the spider was probably more upset by being sprayed then it was effected by the substances.
Crosby
Nov 4 2005, 02:51 PM
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Nov 4 2005, 02:51 PM
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Porkio
Nov 4 2005, 05:38 PM
That's just like me. Maybe our brains are similar.
greeneyes
Nov 6 2005, 08:25 AM
Indubitably.
Science really can be cool.
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