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Kirk
Yeah right, I ain't scared, of nothin'
god I love you guys, I can't believe how fast time goes,
I'll kick anyone's ass, one hand tied behind my back,
but time,
fuck!
Snap to boys and girls, it's all up to you, forget about changing the world, change your world, imagine it and be it,
don't waste time,
wait, too late, roll with the punches and come up something new, sorry, that's part of the deal, but don't worry; there is nothing new, look behind you.
Kirk
I'll be damned, I finished that half of glass of Nimes,
everything seems. . . possible, oh wait, nah, I'm just drunk, but, tomorrow it will all add up.
I think, the degree of pain I experience, is directly related to the degree with which I live in reality,
not that I don't still have a choice or anything, right?
Kirk
My season is over now, I worked too much, it's nice to have you guys, to not be in touch with,
almost like having friends, but better.
I can't believe, after a lifetime of abuse, (mutual, and misceleaneous) that we have any time at all left for each other.
Kirk
Wowzers, I'm drunk, so. . . did you here the one about the Polish nun and the Belgian prelate?
Kirk
You just narrowly escaped a re release of the alchemists egg, nighty night
and count your blessings.
sixela
QUOTE(Porkio @ Dec 23 2006, 12:28 AM) *

I guess it will have to wait until the second coming now...


Or the first. Try reading the New Testament instead of the Old.

About dissociating faith and action:
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The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.


About faith and action:
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Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

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This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy
neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


Note the "with all thy mind", which means there is actualyl a duty to think, and not to abdicate to blind faith and gullibility. For context, asked a question, Jesus first cites the Old Testament (which is emphasised by saying "this is the first and great commandment"; Jesus with this states he doesn't repudiate Judaism) - what is original is what follows (in particular, the notion that this second stated commandment is as important).

What is radical, however, rather than just original (because the "love thy neighbour" bit is actually also lifted from the Old Testament, though it becomes much more important in Jesus's teaching) is the definition of who is a neighbour, which has direct relevance on whether you can blow up other people because they're your "enemy":
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You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.


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(1 John 4:20-21) Those who say, "I love God," and hate their brothers or sisters, are liars; for those who do not love a brother or sister whom they have seen, cannot love God whom they have not seen. {21} The commandment we have from him is this: those who love God must love their brothers and sisters also. (1 John 5:1-2) Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the parent loves the child. {2} By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.


Just to quote someone not dead yet, here's what Benedict XVI (for all his history as a "Panzerkreuzer Gottes") thinks, in an opening of an encyclic letter:
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'God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him'


And despite his rather rigid docrtinal line (at least before he became pope) he's always been a staunch defender of Nostra Aetate, which mentions some of the answers that Hindus, Buddhists, and members of other faiths have suggested for philosophical questions and then categorically states:
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"The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men."


And yes, the first quote in this post does about the teacher of the law also apply to the Catholic Church in the darker periods of its existence, lest you think that I have absolute faith in the worldly institution of the Catholic Church.
jaded prol
Jesus Shemesus, listen to Kirk.
sixela
Yup -- I'm waiting for the one about the Belgian prelate and the Polish nun with bated breath.
TheGreenOne
QUOTE(Kirk @ Dec 23 2006, 03:35 AM) *

I finished that half of glass of Nimes

yelclap.gif At least Kirk makes sense.
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