TheGreenOne
Jul 31 2007, 07:27 AM
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Carnivore sex off the menu
By REBECCA TODD - The Press | Tuesday, 31 July 2007
No sex, please, you're a carnivore
A new phenomenon in New Zealand is taking the idea of you are what you eat to the extreme.
Vegansexuals are people who do not eat any meat or animal products, and who choose not to be sexually intimate with non-vegan partners whose bodies, they say, are made up of dead animals.
The co-director of the New Zealand Centre for Human and Animal Studies at Canterbury University, Annie Potts, said she coined the term after doing research on the lives of "cruelty-free consumers".
Many female respondents described being attracted to people who ate meat, but said they did not want to have sex with meat-eaters because their bodies were made up of animal carcasses.
"It's a whole new thing – I have not come across it before," said Potts.
One vegan respondent from Christchurch said: "I believe we are what we consume, so I really struggle with bodily fluids, especially sexually."
"I would not want to be intimate with someone whose body is literally made up from the bodies of others who have died for their sustenance," she said.
Christchurch vegan Nichola Kriek has been married to her vegan husband, Hans, for nine years.
She would not describe herself as vegansexual, but said it would definitely be a preference.
She could understand people not wanting to get too close to non-vegan or non-vegetarians.
"When you are vegan or vegetarian, you are very aware that when people eat a meaty diet, they are kind of a graveyard for animals," she said.
greeneyes
Jul 31 2007, 07:29 AM
Weird — this just came across a listserv.
We must be on the same one or something.
Le Gimp
Jul 31 2007, 07:32 AM
Oooo. I've never been described as a graveyard before.
Goulish, ugly, yes but never 'you look like a Graveyard'.
sixela
Jul 31 2007, 08:07 AM
QUOTE(TheGreenOne @ Jul 31 2007, 05:27 PM)
whose bodies, they say, are made up of dead animals.
Unfortunately for consistency, dead plants are often also made up at least in part of dead animals, so...
elfnmagik
Jul 31 2007, 08:32 AM
and Xit.
greeneyes
Jul 31 2007, 10:15 AM
Oh, that madcap conservation of matter!
greeneyes
Jul 31 2007, 10:21 AM
elfnmagik
Jul 31 2007, 10:42 AM
Eatin' stoolz rulez.
Nymphadora
Jul 31 2007, 11:47 AM
Dr. Kellog (yes, the cereal guy) thought there was a link between unhealthy sexual desires and other 'unsavory' characteristics, such as violence. He thought that people's obsession with sex lead to an unhealthy body and mind. His theory was that eating animals made us engage in animal behavior. It was his quest to convince people to eat a meatless diet.
In his time, breakfast was mostly meat or animal products: sausage, bacon and eggs. He started a breakfast revolution with the popular introduction of eating grain for breakfast.
An entertaining movie was based on Dr. Kellog's life called Wellville, starring Anthony Hopkins. It portrays Kellog to be a complete nut who was fascinated with abstinence and enemas.
So, when we eat our morning cereal, it is because Dr. Kellog wanted to rid us of our harmful sexual desires.
Helfrich
Jul 31 2007, 12:37 PM
I'm kinda engaged in animal behavior and I've always hated those breakfast cereals.
Helfrich
Jul 31 2007, 01:10 PM
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"When you are vegan or vegetarian, you are very aware that when people eat a meaty diet, they are kind of a graveyard for animals," she said.
I know this as a metaphor by Schopenhauer for the struggle for existence -- not a very elevating spectacle for who has eyes to see and reason to reflect. It calls for some sort of moral consciousness. I never thought of it as a gimmick for frigid dykes who don't want to be engaged in animal behaviour.
"This world is the battle-ground of tormented and agonized beings who continue to exist only by each devouring the other. Therefore, every beast of prey in it is the living grave of thousands of others, and its self-maintenance is a chain of torturing deaths. Then in this world the capacity to feel pain increases with knowledge, and therefore reaches its highest degree in man, a degree that is the higher, the more intelligent the man." -- AS
mthuilli
Jul 31 2007, 01:36 PM
Too many words.
And I don't eat cereals at breakfast.
I eat babies.
Helfrich
Jul 31 2007, 01:44 PM
Really? I think they're disgusting. I just have black coffee.
mthuilli
Jul 31 2007, 01:53 PM
CG likes FNB too.
With some marmelade.
They go well with black coffee.
AndrewT
Jul 31 2007, 02:04 PM
I don't understand why it's perfectly ok to kill certain living things for sustenance and not others just because of what kingdom they belong to. Why is it more ethical to eat a tree's reproductive organs that it is to eat unfertilized chicken eggs? Is it only because plants don't have cute faces or make noises when you hurt them? And what about animals (other than humans) eating other animals? Are they all immoral?
And why is sex for pleasure considered "animal" behavior? Humans are one of the only species that have sex for fun. Sex for procreation only is what 99.9% of the animal kingdom does.
(end rant)
Helfrich
Jul 31 2007, 02:25 PM
Bonobos use sex as social cement. I prefer to have it just for fun.
Oh, and I eat a lot of Wafflonian foie gras.
greeneyes
Jul 31 2007, 03:07 PM
QUOTE(Helfrich @ Jul 31 2007, 05:10 PM)
...I never thought of it as a gimmick for frigid dykes who don't want to be engaged in animal behaviour.
[sarcasm][vitriol]Yeah, wowzers;
if a woman doesn't want to make the act with you,
she must therefore be frigid, a dyke, or both,
and that's bad. Badbadbadbadbad.[/sarcasm][/vitriol]
Helfrich
Jul 31 2007, 03:10 PM
Exactly. No need to be sarcastic about it.
Selmac
Jul 31 2007, 03:16 PM
Can vegans eat carnivorous plants?
Amber von Doom
Jul 31 2007, 04:13 PM
So instead of vegans having at least 20 or so choices in a mate (because most normal people don't want to date a vegan) the vegansexuals have cut their mate choices to a total of about 2.
Nymphadora
Jul 31 2007, 04:32 PM
I'm friends with a 'vegansexual' of sorts (damn good looking guy). When he goes on a date, he won't kiss a girl if she has eaten meat for dinner.
jaded prol
Jul 31 2007, 05:18 PM
Oh the moral conundrum of food. . .
I'll bet they can't tell a vegan from a carnivore in a blind taste test.
greeneyes
Jul 31 2007, 05:21 PM
QUOTE(Helfrich @ Jul 31 2007, 07:10 PM)
Exactly. No need to be sarcastic about it.
You are not particularly knowledgeable regarding my needs.
G&C
Jul 31 2007, 05:53 PM
Actually Prole, I've been told we do taste different.
GreyBoy2
Jul 31 2007, 05:56 PM
I just want someone to eat my meat.
Nymphadora
Jul 31 2007, 06:01 PM
Chinese restaurant?
GreyBoy2
Jul 31 2007, 06:44 PM
Organ meats?
Kirk
Jul 31 2007, 06:46 PM
Meow.
GreyBoy2
Jul 31 2007, 06:48 PM
Ah jeebus,
those are pigeon wings, not cat legs.
GreyBoy2
Jul 31 2007, 06:48 PM
Cats are too tuff,
they take to slow cooked BBQ better.
sixela
Jul 31 2007, 11:56 PM
QUOTE(greeneyes @ Aug 1 2007, 03:21 AM)
You are not particularly knowledgeable regarding my needs.
Darn, I never thought
you'd have needed sarcasm tags to "get it".
You obviously haven't met Helfrich yet. Actually, his ability to take a broad swipe at any group of people who piss him off at any particular time (usually, People with No Taste or People Who Would Not Recognise Grace if It Hit Them in the Face) is one of his more charming and endearing traits. He lives in the Netherlands, remember, so there's a good supply of Idiots Who Think They Know Better to irritate him, and I'm sure it must be home to a lot of vegansexuals.
I wouldn't want him to be politically correct and sensitive to the sensibilities of vegansexual dykes for all the money in the world.
Oh - in the interest of accuracy, I'd have to say that to be
vegansexual you'd also have to refrain from sex with anyone who has eaten eggs or dairy products, even though milk nor unfertilised eggs can be considered as animal corpses by any stretch of the imagination. I'm sure wheat tins contains some.
elfnmagik
Aug 1 2007, 05:54 AM
QUOTE(Nymphadora @ Jul 31 2007, 08:32 PM)
he won't kiss a girl if she has eaten meat for dinner.
Butt she won't eat meat
Til he kisses her.
Catch 22
Nymphadora
Aug 1 2007, 08:57 AM
"Won't eat meat, but she still likes the bone.....RAAAHHH"
elfnmagik
Aug 1 2007, 09:21 AM
out
of
the
gutter
greeneyes
Aug 1 2007, 09:30 AM
QUOTE(sixela @ Aug 1 2007, 03:56 AM)
Darn, I never thought you'd have needed sarcasm tags to "get it"...his ability to take a broad swipe at any group of people who piss him off at any particular time...is one of his more charming and endearing traits...He lives in the Netherlands...
I wouldn't want him to be politically correct and sensitive to the sensibilities of vegansexual dykes...
Actually, it was "frigid dykes."
Maybe it's a cultural thing. I'll grant you that. In my cultural context, it isa phrase that is commonly used to belittle women in general, and particularly autonomous types like professionals and political candidates.
Don't try to shame me like that, though. Please. Seriously.
I adore you oodles and I resent that tactic right now.
My patience for gendered hate speech is in short supply for good reason.
sixela
Aug 1 2007, 12:10 PM
QUOTE(greeneyes @ Aug 1 2007, 07:30 PM)
My patience for gendered hate speech is in short supply for good reason.
But you live in a country with lots of male chauvinist pigs. Helfrich lives in a country where these are usually forced to be
closet male chauvinist pigs and with a vigorous feminist tradition.
As for political candidates, I find the accusation slightly amusing. If I were a US citizen, I'd rather have a frigid as a president who can balance a budget than a nymphomaniac who can't count; sexual appetite doesn't appear to be a good defining characteristic.
Yeah, you're all much too obsessed with "character". I'm sure George W. Bush may fake the part of ideal son in law, he's still a fucking disaster as a president.
Stroller
Aug 1 2007, 12:24 PM
Kerry was/is frigid but I sure as hell would take Clinton over him. Kerry is quite an ass actually.
Helfrich
Aug 1 2007, 12:39 PM
QUOTE(sixela @ Aug 1 2007, 10:10 PM)
sexual appetite doesn't appear to be a good defining characteristic.
Get him, Pymph!
Nymphadora
Aug 1 2007, 01:37 PM
There will be no kicking in the ass for Sixer due to him still being a little tender there.
However, I would like to ask what characteristic influenced his decision for his choice of avatar?
Helfrich
Aug 1 2007, 02:11 PM
QUOTE(sixela @ Aug 1 2007, 09:56 AM)
He lives in the Netherlands, remember, so there's a good supply of Idiots Who Think They Know Better to irritate him, and I'm sure it must be home to a lot of vegansexuals.
True. Thanks for your empathy.
sixela
Aug 1 2007, 03:14 PM
QUOTE(Stroller @ Aug 1 2007, 10:24 PM)
Kerry was/is frigid but I sure as hell would take Clinton over him. Kerry is quite an ass actually.
I said it wasn't a defining characteristic - that means that neither lack of sexual appetite nor an abundance of it are really necessarily that much of a problem.
Only the Anglosaxon world, by the way, seems to think that politicians with mistresses are somehow unfit for their job. Somehow, I doubt they're interested in knowing whether their char mechanic has one, though. Contrast that with the attitude of the French, who thought it was noble of Mitterand to have stayed "faithful" to the same mistress for twenty years.
sixela
Aug 1 2007, 03:18 PM
QUOTE(Nymphadora @ Aug 1 2007, 11:37 PM)
There will be no kicking in the ass for Sixer due to him still being a little tender there.
However, I would like to ask what characteristic influenced his decision for his choice of avatar?
People's abbreviation of sixela to Six, of course.
And the fact it's a cylon.
And the fact Americans piss me off when they assume I'm a woman just because I'm called Alexis.
Yeah, Tricia Helfer is cute, but that's just a bonus.
Nymphadora
Aug 1 2007, 04:14 PM
So...............
if the character of Six was portrayed by Abe Vigoda........
you would choose his face as your avatar?
sixela
Aug 1 2007, 11:18 PM
QUOTE(Nymphadora @ Aug 2 2007, 02:14 AM)
So...............
if the character of Six was portrayed by Abe Vigoda........
you would choose his face as your avatar?
Yup.
That sure required a post quote, Cruella.
Louched Liver
Aug 3 2007, 12:01 PM
I am what I eat.
Louched Liver
Aug 3 2007, 12:01 PM
I'm a pussy.
Nymphadora
Aug 3 2007, 03:30 PM
Not according to your signature.
Porkio
Aug 3 2007, 03:53 PM
HA!
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