Full Version: Vintage Pernod varieties
I'm gonna tell the Mayor on y'all.
[quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too? [/quote]
Sure!
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too? [/quote]
Sure!
[quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
Ha!
[quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote] [/quote]
[quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote]
[quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]
Can I quote you on that?
DG
DG
[quote=DGLeadbetter,Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
Can I quote you on that?
DG [/quote]
Yes. 
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] Can I quote you on that?
DG [/quote]
Yes.
....still didn't answer the question, "What the fuck id IIRC?"
QUOTE
"What the fuck id IIRC?"
I'm still trying to figure out the question.
DG
IIRC = "If I recall correctly"
Yer welcome.
Yer welcome.
I'm getting a headache!
Damn!
Damn!
Scroll up and quickly wiggle your screen side to side. It's like drinking Filterated Czeckerland Xit Original.
[quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 02:56 PM] [quote=DGLeadbetter,Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
Can I quote you on that?
DG [/quote]
Yes. [/quote]
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] Can I quote you on that?
DG [/quote]
Yes.
[/quote]
We've hit the emoticon limit.
IIRC
Damn. I was hoping that this place would be a refuge from all that stupid internet chatroom stuff. You know, sit around, have a few drinks, and.....
Damn. I was hoping that this place would be a refuge from all that stupid internet chatroom stuff. You know, sit around, have a few drinks, and.....
Yeah, thank goodness we're not like all those other losers.
DG
DG
Thanks sixela! That cleared up a lot. BTW, do you or anyone else know what kind of changes they (Pernod) did to the recipe or manufacturing process over the years? As I know (as I`ve read in the internet) Tarragona had very different kind of flavor compared to the pre-ban absinthes of Pernod. So there must be some changes made to the formula when they changed the distillery to Spain. So there must be some difference in the taste of mid 1800`s Pernod compared to early 1900`s Pernod. Then again I don`t suspect that anyone of you have tasted them both ;) .
Aquaman:Thanks! It took me so long because before this I could find answers to all of my questions from the www, from previous questions in the absinthe forums, from books etc. =)
Aquaman:Thanks! It took me so long because before this I could find answers to all of my questions from the www, from previous questions in the absinthe forums, from books etc. =)
And thanks to Porkio too... (It`s quite hard to find the answers from this pile of skycrapers... :/ ).
QUOTE(gasspectro @ Dec 17 2003, 10:44 PM)
IIRC
Damn. I was hoping that this place would be a refuge from all that stupid internet chatroom stuff. You know, sit around, have a few drinks, and.....
Damn. I was hoping that this place would be a refuge from all that stupid internet chatroom stuff. You know, sit around, have a few drinks, and.....
OTOH FWIW, AFAIK I like to LOL but YMMV.
QUOTE(gasspectro @ Dec 18 2003, 04:44 AM)
IIRC
Damn. I was hoping that this place would be a refuge from all that stupid internet chatroom stuff. You know, sit around, have a few drinks, and.....
Damn. I was hoping that this place would be a refuge from all that stupid internet chatroom stuff. You know, sit around, have a few drinks, and.....
Who's talking about internet chatrooms?
IIRC, if I remember correctly, may even predate the invention of the emoticon, and was certainly used from pretty much day 1 on usenet forums, and not only in alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bestiality.hamster.duct-tape.
Sorry if my usenet background got to me. I promise not *try* to IIRC anyone anymore, but I could fail miserably -- too much conditioning.
[quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 09:32 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 02:56 PM] [quote=DGLeadbetter,Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
Can I quote you on that?
DG [/quote]
Yes. [/quote]
[/quote]
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] Can I quote you on that?
DG [/quote]
Yes.
[/quote] [/quote]
[quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:34 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 09:32 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 02:56 PM] [quote=DGLeadbetter,Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
Can I quote you on that?
DG [/quote]
Yes. [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] Can I quote you on that?
DG [/quote]
Yes.
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote]
[quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:35 PM] [quote=Rimbaud,Dec 18 2003, 01:34 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 09:32 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 02:56 PM] [quote=DGLeadbetter,Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 05:12 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:59 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 02:30 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 01:28 PM] [quote=Porkio,Dec 17 2003, 04:25 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 04:17 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:55 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]
Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya. [/quote]
[/quote]Thought so. [/quote]
Can I play too?[/quote]
[/quote] [/quote]