Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
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QUOTE(Tiburon @ Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM)
Hello you all! This is my first post in here So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans.
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?
By the way, Welcome Tiburon. Good question...what took you so long to finally post?
There were not coloring their absinthe in switzerland just cause the were bootlegging man!!They were doing it blanche because they wanted absinthe to look like any other alcool for the customs when they were shipping their stuff in USA and etc...
QUOTE(sixela @ Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM)
QUOTE(Tiburon @ Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM)
Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?
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QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM)
QUOTE(sixela @ Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM)
QUOTE(Tiburon @ Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM)
Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?
ok
I meant-
yes.
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM)
QUOTE(sixela @ Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM)
QUOTE(Tiburon @ Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM)
Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?
ok
I meant-
yes.
Well, ok would be ok.
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM)
QUOTE(sixela @ Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM)
QUOTE(Tiburon @ Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM)
Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?
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I meant-
yes.
Well, ok would be ok.
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QUOTE(absinthoman @ Dec 17 2003, 08:48 AM)
There were not coloring their absinthe in switzerland just cause the were bootlegging man!!They were doing it blanche because they wanted absinthe to look like any other alcool for the customs when they were shipping their stuff in USA and etc...
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QUOTE(Tiburon @ Dec 17 2003, 04:07 AM)
I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html).
...Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)?
...Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)?
I've never heard of Pernod New Orleans, and as far as I am aware Pernod never operated any distillery inside the US. (there was a Pernod based in Pennsylvania I believe in the 1930s, but their product--Edouard Pernod Liqueur d'Anise--was not Absinthe and not distilled). The article you listed has no mention of a Pernod New Orleans, though it does mention Jade- the only REAL Burnt™ absinthe's Nouvelle Orleans being based on a brand that was popular in New Orleans, and that brand name is not mentioned. (perhaps it's a re-creation of vintage Herbsaint with added wormwood?)
Oxygenée absinthe claimed they circulated oxygen through their absinthe, and this somehow improved the quality. Sounds like junk science to me. I've heard Oxygenee was a good brand, though a bit light in comparison to Pernod's products.
First of all. Hello, and welcome.
Then...
Tough to do, since it hasn't been around for that long. Not even a year yet.
The coloring step is there to add flavor. The color is just a byproduct of extracting the flavors. So yes, it was probably colored when absinthe was just a "medicine".
Swisss LB was most likely left as a blanche to ellude detection. Don't worry, a blanche can still taste mighty fine.
Then...
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and read this forum for over a year or so.
Tough to do, since it hasn't been around for that long. Not even a year yet.
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One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer.
The coloring step is there to add flavor. The color is just a byproduct of extracting the flavors. So yes, it was probably colored when absinthe was just a "medicine".
Swisss LB was most likely left as a blanche to ellude detection. Don't worry, a blanche can still taste mighty fine.
Good old LL. 5 posts, and less then 12 words total.
QUOTE(DrinkSlinger @ Dec 17 2003, 10:47 AM)
when absinthe was just a "medicine".
It still is medicine.
QUOTE(Porkio @ Dec 17 2003, 10:53 AM)
QUOTE(DrinkSlinger @ Dec 17 2003, 10:47 AM)
when absinthe was just a "medicine".
It still is medicine.
Word.
ahhh, but it's no longer JUST a medicine.
..
QUOTE(Porkio @ Dec 17 2003, 04:38 PM)
QUOTE(Tiburon @ Dec 17 2003, 04:07 AM)
I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html).
I've never heard of Pernod New Orleans, and as far as I am aware Pernod never operated any distillery inside the US. (there was a Pernod based in Pennsylvania I believe in the 1930s, but their product--Edouard Pernod Liqueur d'Anise--was not Absinthe and not distilled). The article you listed has no mention of a Pernod New Orleans, though it does mention Jade- the only REAL Burnt™ absinthe's Nouvelle Orleans being based on a brand that was popular in New Orleans, and that brand name is not mentioned.
I distinctly remember someone claiming to have tasted a Ned Brew recreation of Edouard Pernod based on an Edouard Pernod *from Pontarlier*. Perhaps the Master Cook will chime in...
QUOTE(Marc Chevalier @ Dec 17 2003, 09:51 AM)
ok
o.k.
OK
O.K.
Okeh
Okay
OKAY!
o.k.
OK
O.K.
Okeh
Okay
OKAY!
Don't forget:
QUOTE(Oxygenee @ Dec 17 2003, 05:39 PM)
Ah -- interesting. Is Gempp-Pernod the name Charles Gempp gave to the product of the Edouard Pernod factory at Lunel once he took over (note to others: not a sell-out, IIRC, as he was family by marriage)?
So, Oxygenee, in case you missed my question: what happened to "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Pontarlier/Couvet) and "Gempp/Pernod".? Were they, in due course, also snatched up by the successors in interest of the unrelated Jules Pernod, just like "Pernod Fils" (the name, not the (now Nestle-Suchard) factory) was?
Or if they simply disappeared, when was the wreckage? Pre-ban, post-ban, before or after "Pernod Fils" went out of the hands of the second Louis Pernod (and thus the descendants of Henri-Louis Pernod)?
[To louchedlounge members: yes, I know this is soooo feeverte.net rather than in tune with the local style, but I didn't start this
]
Is this going to be on the exam?
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QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM)
QUOTE(sixela @ Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM)
QUOTE(Tiburon @ Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM)
Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?
ok
I meant-
yes.
Well, ok would be ok.
ok?
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
QUOTE(Crosby @ Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM)
QUOTE(sixela @ Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM)
QUOTE(Tiburon @ Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM)
Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?
ok
I meant-
yes.
Well, ok would be ok.
ok?
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
QUOTE(Off. Jack Batemaster @ Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE(Crosby @ Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM)
QUOTE(sixela @ Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM)
QUOTE(Tiburon @ Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM)
Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?
ok
I meant-
yes.
Well, ok would be ok.
ok?
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
QUOTE(Celticgent @ Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM)
QUOTE(Off. Jack Batemaster @ Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE(Crosby @ Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM)
QUOTE(sixela @ Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM)
QUOTE(Tiburon @ Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM)
Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?
ok
I meant-
yes.
Well, ok would be ok.
ok?
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
QUOTE(Off. Jack Batemaster @ Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM)
QUOTE(Celticgent @ Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM)
QUOTE(Off. Jack Batemaster @ Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE(Crosby @ Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM)
QUOTE(Louched Liver @ Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM)
QUOTE(sixela @ Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM)
QUOTE(Tiburon @ Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM)
Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) .
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well?
ok
I meant-
yes.
Well, ok would be ok.
ok?
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
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So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
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[quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
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So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
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They look like the Chrysler Building.
QUOTE(Bumpferret @ Dec 17 2003, 02:43 PM)
They look like the Chrysler Building.
[quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
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LOL!
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]LOL!
I have vertigo.
[quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really?
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]LOL! [/quote]
Did you really?
[quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah.
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah.
you dirty bitches is makin my head hurt
[quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean? [/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya.
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
yes. [/quote]
Well, ok would be ok. [/quote]
ok? [/quote]
What the fuck does "IIRC" mean?
[/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote] [/quote]LOL! [/quote]
Did you really? [/quote]
Nah. [/quote]
You really just want Ouchy to spank ya.
Um,
I think I need a new pair of glasses. 
you should be used to it after looking at your shirts!!
[quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 01:24 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 12:02 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:52 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:48 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:27 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:26 AM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 12:25 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 11:19 AM] [quote=Celticgent,Dec 17 2003, 12:01 PM] [quote=Off. Jack Batemaster,Dec 17 2003, 01:48 PM] [quote=Crosby,Dec 17 2003, 11:24 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 06:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:23 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:22 AM] [quote=Louched Liver,Dec 17 2003, 09:21 AM] [quote=sixela,Dec 17 2003, 05:25 AM] [quote=Tiburon,Dec 17 2003, 10:07 AM] Hello you all! This is my first post in here but I`m not completely new to the world of absinthe since I have drinked it for few years now and read this forum for over a year or so. I have made my mistakes with some poor (or should I say crappy) “absinthes” (they`re not really worth of the name as you know) but quite soon, thanks to www and these forums moved to better ones (now I`m pretty much sticking with UE`s. I haven`t received my Fougerolles yet though…) Altough I`ve been around I´m still only in the beginning of the journey and have a great deal of respect to the knowledge of you guys (does that sound a bit cheesy? Well you got my point….I`m humble and come in peace ;) .)
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-
So to my questions then. First of all, there has been lot of talk about Pernod Tarragona over the years but I haven`t found anything about other varieties of vintage Pernod. So what are the differences between Pernod Eduoard, Pernod Pontarlier, Pernod Couvet Suisse and Pernod Gempp and Pernod New Orleans. I read somewhere that Ned Brew wrote about Pernod New Orleans and how it was popular in States at the time (http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2002-12-17/cover_story.html). I know that absinthe was very popular in New Orleans but didn`t know that there was Pernod named after that.
Then my other two questions are very trivial ones but have just been bothering me for a while. First about vintage Oxygenee. Does anyone know what meant the oxygenation of the absinthe that Oxygenee was proud of and named after. Was that only a marketing trick or did they actually do somekind of oxygenation and did that affect to taste (and what does it actually mean)? Then my third question (dunno If anyone has knowledge for this but here goes nothing). Was there coloring state involved in the making of absinthe before it was handed to Pernod Fils? I mean when it was made in Switzerland and was mainly used as a medicine. One would think that it could have been possible that it coloring state was added when they started to make absinthe for commercial purposes to make it look nicer. So there goes my questions….thanks for reading =) . [/quote]
Pernod Couvet: I've seen that used for the original "Dubied Pere et Fils" (i.e. Henri-Louis Pernod's association with his father in law, Dubied), and for Edouard Pernod's factory in Couvet (founded much later, *after* Pernod Fils was established in Pontarlier). IIRC, "Pernod Couvet" is strictly correct in neither case, as the two factories were "Dubied Pere et Fils" and "Edouard Pernod" in Couvet.
[To make matters more interesting, Dubied also has a son named "Edouard"]
"Edouard Pernod" in Couvet refers to two generations of Pernod (one son of Henri-Louis, but from an earlier marriage, i.e. not a grandson of Dubied!), one son of Edouard Pernod.
"Maison Pernod Fils": Pernod moved to Pontarlier. After Henri-Louis, managed by Louis Pernod, grandson of Dubied (half-brother of the first Edouard Pernod). But it ceases to be under control of Henri-Louis Pernod's descendants (even though the enterprise retains the name *and* the factory for some time after that).
"Edouard Pernod": usually refers to the factory established in Pontarlier by the second Edouard Pernod.
"Legler Pernod" is only related to Pernod by marriage (to the daughter of the second Edouard Pernod, IIRC).
"Jules Pernod" is unrelated, morphed to "Pernod Pere et Fils", and swallowed the company that eventually got the "Pernod Fils" name (but not the factory).
There's also Edouard Pernot with a "t", and that should tell you something. No relation to Emile Pernot (also with a "t"), whose successors in interest are making the "Un Emile" line of products (with some help from Liqueurs de France).
All that this is telling is: there's "Edouard Pernod" and "Pernod Fils", and everyone else tries to get a name that looks like on of these two, so you get the idea wrt the picking order ;).
I think all this mess must've been quite good for the 19th century lawyers, as the companies were reported to defend their trademarks vigorously ;).
The only thing I can't track down is what "Etablissements Edouard Pernod" (Couvet, Pontarlier) eventually became. Were they eventually swallowed by "Etablissements Pernod" as well? [/quote]
ok [/quote]
I meant-