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Alcohol business dangerous in Baghdad By BASSEM MROUE, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 50 minutes ago



BAGHDAD - The three men glanced left and right before cautiously entering a liquor store on Saadoun Street, one of two areas where alcohol is publicly sold in the Iraqi capital. Inside, they pointed to a bottle of champagne.

"Give me a box of those," one said.

Selling and drinking alcohol is still legal in Iraq, but since the rise of religious parties in this predominantly Muslim country, the trade has come under severe pressure. Aside from legal restrictions, many liquor shops have been bombed in the past four years.

Some who dared sell alcohol from their homes have been killed by religious militias, which use fear and intimidation to keep liquor out of areas they control.

Still, that has not deterred all traders or customers.

"We're busy these few days," said Yasser, a clerk at the Saadoun Street store, who refused to give his full name for security reasons. "People are buying big amounts of alcohol because Ramadan is coming," referring to the Muslim holy month of fasting that began this week.

All liquor stores are closed during Ramadan, a measure that has been in force since before Saddam Hussein's regime was toppled in April 2003.

"Usually the buyers take bottles, but now they buy boxes," said Naim, a clerk who refused to give his full name out of fear for his safety. "They want to make sure they have enough until the end of the month. We are selling a lot of beers and whiskey."

Iraq's alcohol business faced various pressures long before the U.S.-led invasion.

For decades, Baghdad's nightclubs and bars by the Tigris river were famous throughout the Middle East for grilled fish, alcohol and scantily clad belly dancers.

Similar clubs in the southern city of Basra used to attract thousands of Kuwaitis who drove to the Iraqi city for fun and drinks.

But in 1993, Saddam, reeling from his loss in the 1991 Gulf War, launched a religious campaign that included a ban on public consumption of alcohol, closing nightclubs, combatting prostitution and giving religious lessons to the public, including those in his secular Baath party.

Saddam heavily restricted and regulated alcohol sales. Nightclubs were turned into restaurants but some still sold alcohol to their clients secretly.

Soon after Saddam's fall, the liquor business boomed. Shops began openly selling alcohol and vendors were seen in some of Baghdad's streets hawking imported beer or whiskey.

All that came to an end as religious parties solidified their hold on power.

Today, there are only two areas in Baghdad where alcohol is legally sold: near the Baghdad Hotel in the central part of the capital along Saadoun Street and in the Karradit Mariam area just outside the Green Zone that houses offices of the Iraqi prime minister and president as well as the U.S. Embassy.

Most of the shops are run by Iraq's minority Christians or Yazidis, followers of an ancient religion that does not forbid alcohol.

Naim, a Yazidi, said the most popular drink is Arak, an anise or dates flavored liquor which is produced in Iraq and which sells for as little as $2.40 a bottle.

The most expensive brand he sells is Johnny Walker Black Label whisky for $28 a bottle.

At another shop, a Christian employee who refused to give his name, saying he has been receiving threats for months, said his cheapest brand is an Indian-made whiskey that sells for $2 for a fifth.

"This is usually bought by homeless people who live in the streets," the man said.

He said most of his clientele is Muslim.

"Christians and Yazidis sell, and Muslims drink," he said.
Louchelooker
I don't know how many "Naim"s there are on Saadoun St there are but I'm guessing he won't be there much longer.
Porkio
Somebody should tell those dumbass Muslims that their ancestors invented distilled spirits.
Le Gimp
That is a lie, it is a christian lie. They invented distillation and foisted it on the Muslems during the Crusades!
jaded prol
Actually those crusaders discovered it in Arab lands. Muslims preserved higher math and science during Europe's dark ages when the church banned it. Now it seems that many parts of the Islamic world are in their own dark ages. Our own fundimentalists wat to bring the dark ages back here as well. Fundimentalists of all religions are a bain on civilization.
Le Gimp
It was a joke.
absinthist
No matter who actually invented it and propagated as well, this is an art, many people out there are forgettin' about.

But we will track profiteers™ down and hang 'em. The League™ has an eye on it, and Boggy is tipsy, controllin' the keyboard.
greeneyes
QUOTE(jaded prol @ Sep 18 2007, 12:49 PM) *

...Fundimentalists of all religions are a bain on civilization...

Much of civilization could use a hot bain.
Louched Liver
Ask Marie.
absinthist
This is necromancy, for some also a religion, if banned by other respectable religions, though.
Porkio
QUOTE(Le Gimp @ Sep 18 2007, 09:01 AM) *

Muslems

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Fundimentalists of all religions are a bain


Who invented spelling, and why has their invention gone poof?
absinthist
Still, this is nice:

http://www.sentex.net/~mmcadams/spelling.html

have a try. I have missed 12 words, though "I am the last person here qualified to hand out spelling critiques".
Crosby
I got drunkenness wrong.
Kirk
Fuc that
it's got you wrong
absinthist
QUOTE(Crosby @ Sep 19 2007, 07:17 PM) *

I got drunkenness wrong.


It's Polish thing, Cros, same here.
gasspectro
QUOTE(jaded prol @ Sep 18 2007, 11:49 AM) *

Actually those crusaders discovered it in Arab lands. Muslims preserved higher math and science during EuroFuckyLand's dark ages when the church banned it.


Complete and utter bullshit.
absinthist
During "dark" ages, St. Hildegard planted wormwood in Rupertsberg on the Rhein, Benedictine, Carthusian, Capucine etc monks started making their liqueurs and vodka as a nice drink, not a medicine was born in Poland, not counting many of well-known Universitites that exist till now. Quite a "dark" age, huh?
GreyBoy2
QUOTE(absinthist @ Sep 20 2007, 10:55 AM) *

Rupertsberg

So,
when we move off to our Louched Lounge Island to get away from all the bullxit,
I say we name it Rupertsberg Island.
absinthist
St. Hildegard would have nothing against for sure, America seems to be more rooted into tradition than some European countries.
Porkio
QUOTE(Porkio @ Sep 18 2007, 08:15 AM) *

Somebody should tell those dumbass Muslims that their ancestors invented distilled spirits.


Actually I'm wrong. Mongols invented distilled spirits, but only via Freeze distillation. Jabir Ibn Hayyan invented the alambic still, and the process of distilling ethanol by applying heat was invented by Muslim alchemists.

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gasspectro Posted Today, 10:46 AM

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(jaded prol @ Sep 18 2007, 11:49 AM)

Actually those crusaders discovered it in Arab lands. Muslims preserved higher math and science during EuroFuckyLand's dark ages when the church banned it.



Complete and utter bullshit.


I'm not aware of the church ever banning higher math and science either. They were usually in opposition to math or science that contradicted established dogma, but nonetheless a lot of valuable research was conducted with the assistance of the church. And the church can most certainly be credited with dramatically increasing literacy in the western world. Muslims are definitely responsible for enormous advances in mathematics though.

The biggest thing the church should be chastised for is banning "witchcraft", which in reality was a precursor to modern-day pharmaceutical medicine. If you were an herbalist (or a cat), you were likely to be executed. The Bubonic plague was able to kill as many as it did thanks to the church.
Bognoz
The Bubonic Plague was not the work of the Devil, you say?
Or is your meaning that these wolves wore sheep's clothing?
An extrOrdinaire finding that could lead to despair
If other masquerades had not emerged in latter days.
greeneyes
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...If you were an herbalist (or a cat), you were likely to be executed...

Or a midwife.
jaded prol
You misspelled witch.
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