YES!

Variety!

I have tasted all but a couple from Mtulli's list. Not particularly impressed w/ any but one or two.
I pretty much agree w/ Cros and Bater on this subject.

The Commercial makers keep saying that it is impossible to make a decent product at a commercial scale.
People who like the taste of good Absinthe need to be happy spending money on the glut of poorly made products that dominate the market.

But then CO makers tend to be businessmen rather than true distillers.
I know that it is not easy to produce a quality product, nor is it impossible.
It just has not been done...yet.

Oxy's answer to the HGers consortium.

Well said
+
informative.

As always.

Answered some
questions I just
typed off to
HellBitch this
morning.

You grumpy old man, you.

Fuck it.
I'm not trying anymore.
While it's easy to obfuscate truth with long windy paragraphs filled with explanations and innuendo about the evil HG empire™, and everyone has an opinion, I see what I see, hear what I hear, and like every other fool on these boards, choose to believe what I believe.

Well you said you liked the PF 1901.


I don''t know one commercial distiller who's ever said that. It's HGers who say that, ad nauseam.
Some - myself included - have said it's not possible to use your specific Tex-rec method on a true commercial scale. I stand by that.


Let me see if I understand correctly:
Self taught absinthe afficianado's, with no professional training, who cook in their kitchen are "true distillers".
Self taught absinthe afficianado's, with no professional training, who cook in their kitchen, and then surmount all the hurdles of moving to the professional environment, lay their savings and livelihood on the line, who then spend hundreds of hours working intensively in real distilleries shoulder to shoulder with life-long professional distillers, are "businessmen"
And others, like Oliver Mather, with 25 years experience actually operating his own distillery, are also just "businessmen", unlike the "true distillers" here.


How would you know one way or the other? With the greatest respect Eric, what experience have you had in producing a commercial absinthe, other than making one single 100 litre sample batch in one 5 day visit to Pontarlier, with Peter handling ever aspect of the advance preparations, distillery liason, testing and analysis, bottling, packaging and distribution?


So you've changed your mind about the PF 1901?

I really feel your post did you no credit Eric. I've always understood you recognized and respected the contributions made by people like Ted and Peter and others in the CO sector, and that you refused to jump aboard the whole puerile "all CO is evil" bandwagon.

Fuck, gotta get me some of that tasty Montmartre shit right away.

Your'e right David.
You know everything.
I know nothing.
I take it all back.

Eric, don't bow out like that.

Eric, you know I certainly don't believe that, and you know I respect your distilling expertise. But your post was unworthy of you, full of cheap shots, and inconsistent with what you've publicly said before.

I've posted first and thought later many times. I think on this occasion that's what you did.

Well said.

Now don't delete it.

Too many wordz. No
wonder I don't know
what the f*%&k is
going on.

Please try to keep that
xit concise.

ok

There's nothing in your post Grim that anyone could disagree with. The "conversation" you mention between HG and CO producers would be good idea - if ony there was a private forum where the two could discuss technical matters away from the public gaze. Oh, wait.

There's no shortage of private forums, butt they're private.

I have seen this assertion on a number of occasions. What I have not seen is:

1) a technical explanation of why the technique is not applicable on a commercial scale;

2) what is the largest scale on which the method is practical; and

3) how large a scale is needed for commercial production?

On this last point I note that, at least based on the photos, it seems that Gaudentia Persoz is able to maintain a commercially viable business based on modest scale production. Moreover, my understanding is that Helfrich is turning out a well-respected commercial product on a scale less of less than thousands of liters.

If a distiller runs a 100 liter still 5 times a week and he works 48 weeks a year
how much absinthe can the distiller make?

26,400 liters of %72 absinthe, give or take according to your math.
double that number for half liter bottling and you have a lot of bottles of absinthe.

It is also possible (and maybe advantageous) to run multiple smaller stills which would make the assertion irrelevant.

I think it would be preferable from a quality perspective to run a small batch craft micro as opposed to trying to corner the global absinthe market. The farming and cultivation of good herbs would have to be as much a part of the effort as the distilling.

Good luck in finding one distiller anywhere on Planet Earth prepared to do that.

Gaudentia Persoz (or rather her husband) runs a tiny micro distilling operation on a part-time basis using a shared facility. It wouldn't be legally possible - to the best of my knowledge - to run such an operation commercially in France (or, as far as I know, anywhere else in Switzerland outside the Val de Travers).

A few of us would rather do that than the crap we're doing now, especially working together on it.

I shouldn't have mentioned the La Ptite operation since it only distracted from the three questions, none of which have yet been answered.

I don't intend answering them online. But I'd happily chat about it face to face.

I would enjoy that.

20 gr from the other side of planet Earth and of course one of the dilletantes.

The problem that whole fuss is about CO vs HG is that:

a)certain CO's cannot get rid of "Mr.Know It All" attitude towards other CO's (smaller, in fact) or HGs and simply are not welcome for the discussion when they cannot approach others in a human manner and talk like equals;

b)One of my friend ands a forumite said one important thing: "HG and CO both have their places", that small piece of information is always neglected and it is either CO's that suffer or HGs and they suffer because of one another; it is a vicious circle;

c)There are HGs who went strongly CO and forgot what they were in the beginning, there are CO's who still possess HG's heart (I know at least one), etc, etc;

d)There are HGs who betrayed HG, went CO, and there are profiteers™ as they are everywhere;

e)And there are puppets;

Meritoric discussion where any consensus can be reached is needed and can be done but not by bringing irrelevant ad naseum innuendoes where are many words but no body and which bring nothing anew and what is the most important, ruin the possibility of friendly, human chitchat-someone gets offended, someone is attacking, someone is not answering the given questions, someone is giving answer=no answer and so on and so forth.

From the perspective of completely different branch and art itself, let's have a look at oil colours industry. From my own experience, I do know that certain colours should be done for me by someone else, so in that case big CO enterprises like Talens or Maimeri (if I demand highest quality from them and in 95% get it-worth noting and a small suggestion), however, I do know as well that certain colours are:

a) no longer offered
b) extinct so to say
c) banned

And hence I have to go HG and grind my own colour because following the restrictions imposed upon CO, in that particular case, HG is my choice. Same might apply to absinthe, if anyone follows Tits' logics.

Logic? Tits?
Not compatible.

I knew you would understand, Socky.

Yes, I've noticed that with you, Marc.

ha!

I was expectin' , everyone is gettin' senile recently, what with you, guys?

...

Don't say it with flowers. Send me some of that Polish HG crap.

And Sergio has understood, I was not doubtin' it iffen fer a sec.

I am waitin' fer yours, xurely I will send mine.

...

Epidemics? Or Neptunati's influenza?

...™

Don't you guys ever use tissues?

Too many
issues.

And, I read bout
1/2 of the Tits o'
Nation post and
then I ran up the
white flag.

Werdz, werdz, werdz.

And a vigorous stirring
thereof.

Wha' current absinthe (both commercial 'n HG) most resembles vintage?

Felix

The cat?

Pacifique

Vintage resembles vintage the most.

Vintage is as vintage does.