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Well, teh Poles are broken -- at least in IE7...

Internet Exploder?

Who uses that?

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Exactly.

It's still 2007. I'll worry about '08 in '08.

If Hellary is the nominee, I'll vote for her, maybe, just because every Republican candidate is a complete turd, but Crosby's shirt sums it up for me.

The one thing I'll give her credit for is pushing hard to get aid to ground zero workers who are suffering all sorts of illnesses after helping to clean up, but would she do that if she wasn't running for prez?

I be 'fraid 'bama played it fo years too soon.

Watcha do?

I'll chew my arm off before I vote for her.

She did try to get socialized health care for us years ago.

So we can see how effective she is.

No. She tried to get a half-assed healthcare plan that catered to insurance industry interests. Last week I heard her say that she learned from that experience that she needed to be "more compromising." She is owned. She's also a cynical realpolitik corporatist opportunist.

Said the Greens in Florida about Gore (with appropriate changes in the gender of the objective pronoun).

Look where that got them. One arm less and Bush for president.

Prol's just another who's fallen prey to her disarming smile.

Funny, Gore got more votes in Florida despite ballot boxes tossed out, fake felon lists, a skewed state electoral system run by republican insiders, faulty machines that managed to have Jews voting for Pat Buchanan and several alternative candidates but instead of blaming Gore for not having the ballz to fight an obviously stolen election, some prefer to blame Nader.

The obvious message there is that any alternative, that is any candidate not chosen by the official "deciders" is a "spoiler." That is part of how democracy has been undermined. I say the more candidates the better, though it doesn't really matter anymore as I don't think legitimate national elections are a possibility without major changes to a very broken system.

I always liked this one:

Sure. But you have to remember that electing a president is first past the post, and not proportional representation. Voting for a green candidate doesn't get you a 3% green president, it gets you nothing at all.

Yeah, first past the post is a fucked up system (and the reason Gore didn't get elected). But if you're insisting on voting in ignorance of the rules of the game, you're just plainly stupid.

I don't blame Nader - I blame the people stupid enough to vote for him in that *particular* set of circumstances in a close state. They got what they deserved; unfortunately, all the voters that voted for Gore didn't.

And all your paranoia misses the point - if only a tiny fraction of people who voted for Nader had voted Gore, the Repugs nudging the result a couple of hundred or thousand votes their way wouldn't have mattered.

It mattered in the next selection too.

Bollocks. There's lots in the campaign that explains the results.

Karl Rove's move to plan ballots against gay marriage together with the election was a brilliant way to skew the election. So was the cynical use of the "Veterans". Rallying the troops is as important as baiting to make some other switch.

Did I mention we have compulsory election attendance in Belgium? Everybody *has* to vote, and once people have moved their butts to an election booth, most actually do vote.

The drawback is that many people too pissed off to vote in another system actually vote for quite sinister people when you force them to vote.

By the way, the main culprit for Al Gore's election defeat in 2000 remains Al Gore himself, not the idiots voting for Nader. With any decent campaign, it shouldn't even have been close, and George W. Bush junior would have remained the harmless fool he really is at heart (when you don't give him sharp implements to wound himself and others, like command of an executive branch of government).

The same is true for Kerry. I was certain a one-legged cross-eyed janitor could have beaten Bush, but Kerry somehow managed to be so uncompelling as to compel voters to either stay home or vote for his opponent just because they preferred the evil they knew to the evil they didn't. Kerry missed numerous opportunities and ran a campaign that seemed just as out of touch and flaccid as Michael Dukakis.

It's worth noting this year that the ENTIRE Republican strategy for getting elected is based on Hillary getting the nomination. Please don't do them that favour. Not only are Obama and Edwards both much better in terms of policy, debating ability, and personality appeal, they're also going to be much harder to topple than Hillary, who already has a built-in ability to lose the entire South. I don't think all these pundits projecting her as the front-runner realize how much Hillary hate there is down there. It may not all be justified, but it's the reality. Hopefully the primaries will sweep her under the rug for good. C'mon Iowa and New Hampshire....

I just read that Hillary's campaign was actually digging up dirt on Obama from Kindergarten. Apparently he wrote an essay about how he wanted to be President, and Hill's campaign tried to use that against him, contradicting his claims that he hadn't aspired for the Presidency until he got into the Senate.

After learning this shocking revelation about the REAL Obama, I'm having second thoughts about voting for him. Thanks for showing us all the light, Hillary......you dirty fucking muckraker dog.

Prolly not the first time she's been called a dog.

Doesn't really matter who wins, once again we're either stuck with a Douchebag or a xit sandwich...

I saw an article about food born illness, food born illness kills over 5000 people a year, in the US alone. Isn't that a lot more than terrorists have killed?
Can we spend 5kbillion a year on preventing deaths from food born illness?
It could be like the military industrial complex only instead of Dick we can have Martha.

Is Hillary a feminist? I remember the first time I heard the term, feminist,
I was just a kid, talking to someone and they said someone was a "feminist".
I thought to myself, man, I like the sound of that, sounds like an expert.

I try not to consume anything that hasn't gone through multiple distillations.

You eat.

You die.

End of story.

Pretty funny how hopping into a jet that flies 400mph at 30,000 feet is safer than eating.

In 1972, FDA conducted approximately 50,000 food safety inspections. In 2003, FDA conducted only 13,567 domestic food safety inspections.

I think we all owe a big debt of gratitude to Mr. Bush, Congress and the Senate for the 75% reduction in food safety inspections.

Think again. Clinton in "reducing big government" and "balancing the budget" reduced the number of inspectors and instead arranged for the meat industry to be self regulating and to report to the USDA.

Enjoy your mad cow burgers. . .

I haven't had one of those since I was a kid...

You could fool me.

Sponge Brain
Bater Pants.

Prolly better than Bater brain sponge pants.

"Depends" on how incontinent one may be...

HA!

To the last 6 posts at once.
Youse guys are funny fuckers
1nce you get on a roll.

How about this cool ist of candidate endorsers!

I got your 2008 Presidential candidate right here.

Jimmy Motherfuckin Carter!

I'd vote for him. He's the last decent President we've had.

He was ahead of his time. He was telling us to turn off lights and unplug shit back in 197-fuckin-5.

So, the #1 concern from the Iowa caucas was illegal immigration.

Umm, when did Iowa get borders?

They apparently live in their own little world...

Kinda like Idaho, only less private.

I plan to write in Jello Biafra.

I plan to write in pidgin english.

Sadly,
that makes me part of the mainstream, yo.

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