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RedBastid
the proteinaceous infectious particles are all around us
and this time there's no escaping 'em
Louched Liver
So, eat up.
Bognoz
He's one uvem.
elfnmagik
If Anal Rape
Wood knot Prowl
Butt Post.
jaded prol
It's a worn out joke.
























It's not the only one.
balzdeep
QUOTE(sancho @ Feb 22 2008, 11:20 AM) *

dead zoo animals and pets including those euthanized with chemicals which don't break down at the temperatures used to render the meal, sick livestock, etc)



Damned I knew that Sancho was a PETA fuck!!!

I can't believe I never saw this message!

It is a fact that any animal euthanized with any form of euthanasia solution IS BY LAW to be cremated or buried at least four feet deep into the ground. The chemicals used to euthanize any animal in the US are limited by law, and typically are pentobarbital (a barbituate decomposed quickly in the environment) along with potassium chloride (a naturally occuring salt that helps to stop post-death cardiac arrhythmias, naturally occuring in the environment).

There is concern of anything eating any animals euthanized, and have personally seen such issues (with wildlife). However, especially since such said incidence in 2000, the concerns with wildlife have become a non-issue, and there had NEVER been a concern with your pet's food.

And it should be known that any animal placed into pet-food is inspected by the same USDA inspectors that inspect human foods, and only carcasses allowed into human consumption are allowed into animal consumption.

Granted, that don't mean we eat the same parts, obviously...but at least it's healthy parts;)
jaded prol
Most pet feed these days is made in China.

As for the USDA, Clinton fixed that. Part of his "shrinking government" made it so slaughterhouses self-inspect and report to the USDA which has very few inspectors.


Bon Appetit
balzdeep
Actually 100% of the pet-food recalled was produced in the US, however it was made with imported feedstuffs.

And the USDA's reduction in total inspector numbers was started in the mid-nineties in a program called HACCP (Hazard Analysis Critical Control Points). This program requires that key individual points along the chain of production get inspected continuously. This allows any flaws that appear to be caught quicker reducing overall costly recalls, increased food safety, and reduced cost of employment. Most of these inspections are done by lay inspectors hired by the plant themselves.

However every animal is still inspected antemortem by a USDA veterinarian and every animal is inspected several times postmortem by a licensed USDA inspector. I have been to quite a few slaughterhouses (beef and pork) and have seen many animals taken off the rail for further inspection and possible condemnation.

HACCP has actually been around for years prior and has been widely used for any assembly-line production, it was just started in the packing-plant industry in the 90's. It is also being further extended literally from farm to fork, with the eventual ability to track any carcass to the production facility it came from (feedyard, farm) via the a mandated identification system (still unsure what they are going to use, likely microchipping).

Chickens are a whole other process, however, and have never been involved with them.
Kirk
At the time my dog died of poisoning, there were thousands of dogs dieing from the same symptoms, kidney failure from contaminated food.
A chemical that looks like protein was being added to the food to make it look like the food had protein in it.
TheGreenOne
QUOTE(balzdeep @ Apr 27 2008, 05:50 AM) *
And it should be known that any animal placed into pet-food is inspected by the same USDA inspectors that inspect human foods, and only carcasses allowed into human consumption are allowed into animal consumption.

USDA is only part of the issue. Look closely at the FDA BSE ruminant feed regulations. All kinds of stuff can get into the food chain even if the regulations are adhered to.
elfnmagik
QUOTE(Kirk @ Apr 28 2008, 08:42 AM) *

A chemical that looks like protein was being added to the food to make it look like the food had protein in it.
Fukerz.
I quit using food from the Big Box stores because of the use of BHT/BHA preservatives in most kibble. I now use VF Complete line from Arkat.
balzdeep
I am sorry for your loss Kirk. I personally saw a couple of cases myself, and they were tragic (one did survive and is still doing fine, however it took 2 weeks of IV fluids and a hefty bill that has not been reimbursed as of yet). The melamine was added to rice-gluten to increase the protein content, and that was shipped to the US to be mixed into the dog-foods produced here. That is why so many companies were involved as they bought wholesale gluten from a single source. That is not forgiveness for that company or the ones that bought it, as they should have performed more dilligent research into where their ingredients were coming from (and not buying from China, I personally feel).

As for the Ruminant-BSE feed additive regulations by the USDA, the main crux of it is that feed additives cannot be produced from the animal that it is being fed to (bone meal from a cow being fed to a cow, e.g.). This is done to prevent BSE from naturally occuring/proliferating in the US, and no other reason. The feeding of bone meal/feather meal/blood meal to animals is a practice that dates back a couple of hundred years, and is still allowed inter-species in animals where no spongiform encephalopathies exist as of yet (swine/chicken/turkey, e.g.). The practice of feeding sheep products to cattle has recently gained a lot of attention due to concerns of scrapie (a naturally occuring prion-disease in sheep that is inherited) being able to spread to cattle in certain in-vitro experiements.

It's all scarey, but as of yet the US is one of only a few industrialized countries that has done well with controlling BSE within its borders (vs. many of the EU countries, England, CanuckyFuckyLand, Brazil, e.g.). Other third-world countries likely have it rampant in their borders but limited testing for it will keep it from being realized. That being said it is still a ticking time-bomb within our border.
TheGreenOne
While there are no known porcine TSEs, pigs are succeptable to BSE in laboratory experiments (see, "The Neuropathology of Experimental Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy in the Pig" and "Studies of the transmissibility of the agent of bovine spongiform encephalopathy to pigs.") There is no indication, last I heard, that pigs could contract it from feed.
jaded prol
How much BSE exists in the human population remains a mystery as very few people are tested, even among those with "rapid onset dementia."
TheGreenOne
It's not easy to distinguish from CJD and GSS.
jaded prol
A sure diagnosis is unfortunately post-mortem as brain tissue must be examined. This is not usually ordered for a variety of reasons. It isn't usually considered and no-one really wants to know as these prions are a contaminant that aren't destroyed by usual sterilization methods. Anyway, as there is no cure, there isn't much point aside from keeping accurate statistics (which again, people would rather not know). As to which prion is the culprit -- I'm not sure it makes a difference.

Dementia in general is often misdiagnosed as altzheimers though a much more common cause of it is vascular and due to hypo-oxygenation of the brain.
balzdeep
Am fascinated with the differences between dementia and Alzheimer's in the physiologic changes that occur in the brain, however sadly know very little other than overviews in both (which is even sadder since my own grandmother suffered from Alzheimer's and starting to see similar early characteristics in my own mother). Is funny that the same plaques noted histiologically in Alzheimer's patients are also seen in dogs suffering from Cognitive Dysfunction Syndrome (old-dog senility).

And prion-related disease is also fascinating, especially the aspect that boiling, sterilizing, and irradiating seems to have little effect on the proteins involved, and the fact that transferring such proteins between neurologic tissue regardless of species can potentially cause replication of such proteins to occur (although I am not sure if replication is the correct definition). Truly a fascinating set of diseases that, unlike any other potentially infectious disease, serves nothing (there is no gain as we are not seeing the spreading of a living organism).

A bit scary that the strongest infectious disease we have seen is a mutation of our own (or another mammal's) protein structure, not a virus, not a fungus, not a bacteria, hell, not even a cancer, and by all definitions not even alive! And we only found out that it existed in the past 30 years.

That is fucked up!
TheGreenOne
Prion diseases are scary and we have been living with them for a long time. But at least there are early preliminary indications for potential treatment. While it will be years before it is known whether Guanabenz or any other compound is clinically effective, at least there's some possibility of treatment.
Justin
QUOTE(jaded prol @ Apr 30 2008, 12:03 PM) *

"rapid onset dementia."


Isn't that brought on by joinin' the Lounge?
Louchelooker
Ballz, you're too dang smrt to be on this bored. I can't even read all of your posts because thems too many werdz that I don't know or don't want to spend the time to look up. But hey, keep up the smrtness. It's good for the investors to think we have some class here.
balzdeep
Not really that smart, just that after getting over my brainworms I turned around and picked up mad cow disease. Don't ever have a buddy tipping sleeping cows when you are gettin' a piece...
A.B. Normal
Yak tippin' is much more entertaining.
balzdeep
Till one of their lock's gets wrapped around your penis as you are getting ready to...wait a minute, you said Tippin' didn't you...um, never been Yak tippin'...
Bognoz
That's a major canal
to have locks on it.
Bognoz
Or you mean it tastes
like preserved fish?
TheGreenOne
I'm starting think that the possibility of Balz being a tiny bit odd can't be completely ruled out.
Le Gimp
QUOTE(balzdeep @ Apr 27 2008, 05:50 AM) *

QUOTE(sancho @ Feb 22 2008, 11:20 AM) *

dead zoo animals and pets including those euthanized with chemicals which don't break down at the temperatures used to render the meal, sick livestock, etc)



Damned I knew that Sancho was a PETA fuck!!!

...snip...


People for Eating Tasty Animals?

Count me in.


There is a place for all animals in GODs world. Right next to the mashed potatoes.
Crosby
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