TheGreenOne
Apr 2 2008, 07:40 PM
American Journal of MedicineQUOTE
Adopting Moderate Alcohol Consumption in Middle Age: Subsequent Cardiovascular Events
Purpose
Moderate alcohol use is part of a healthy lifestyle, yet current guidelines caution nondrinkers against starting to drink alcohol in middle age. The purpose of this study was to evaluate whether adopting moderate alcohol consumption in middle age would result in subsequent lower cardiovascular risk.
Results
Of 7697 participants who had no history of cardiovascular disease and were nondrinkers at baseline, within a 6-year follow-up period, 6.0% began moderate alcohol consumption (2 drinks per day or fewer for men, 1 drink per day or fewer for women) and 0.4% began heavier drinking. After 4 years of follow-up, new moderate drinkers had a 38% lower chance of developing cardiovascular disease than did their persistently nondrinking counterparts. This difference persisted after adjustment for demographic and cardiovascular risk factors (odds ratio 0.62, 95% confidence interval, 0.40-0.95). There was no difference in all-cause mortality between the new drinkers and persistent nondrinkers (odds ratio 0.71, 95% confidence interval, 0.31-1.64
Why the difference in recommended alcohol dose between men and women? If it's simply body weight differential, then they should change the dose based on each subject's weight, not gender. If gender-based biochemical differences are (potentially) in play, that needs to be explained. Otherwise, the authors are just using tired old stereotypes about women and alcohol as the basis for their "research."
Bognoz
Apr 2 2008, 09:29 PM
7,697 non-drinkers?
Is that believable?
DrinkSlinger
Apr 2 2008, 11:29 PM
The took all the participants out of Utah.
absinthist
Apr 3 2008, 02:33 AM
Interesting that what took them so many years, has been already proven by Danes or Russians.
Bognoz
Apr 3 2008, 02:51 AM
scienTits scours the medical journals
so you don't have to.
Never let the facts stand
in the way of evidunce.
absinthist
Apr 3 2008, 03:05 AM
Russians have proven it in 2000 or so, later it was backed by by Dr Leon research (as presented in the Lancet), Danes-PTFA:
http://www.louchedlounge.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4934Lazy cunt.
Bognoz
Apr 3 2008, 05:15 AM
QUOTE
current guidelines caution nondrinkers against starting to drink alcohol in middle age
QUOTE
Never let the facts stand
in the way of evidunce.
Not all studies are created equal.
Even if the results are the same
a difference in the initial poop-
ulation is significant to note.
Don't ignore the details.
Amber von Doom
Apr 10 2008, 04:19 PM
QUOTE
Why the difference in recommended alcohol dose between men and women? If it's simply body weight differential, then they should change the dose based on each subject's weight, not gender. If gender-based biochemical differences are (potentially) in play, that needs to be explained. Otherwise, the authors are just using tired old stereotypes about women and alcohol as the basis for their "research."
If I'm not mistaken - women do metabolize alcohol differently than men do and their livers handle alcohol differntly so we can become drunk quicker and stay drunk longer. Women also usually have more body fat than men to and, therefore, less waterweight so less water to dilute alcohol in the blood.
Helfrich
Apr 11 2008, 12:11 AM
The blood alcohol concentration depends on the total amount of body water so that would explain it all. Minor gender differences in alcohol dehydrogenase activity have been reported, but these would be hardly significant compared to the body water issue.
Louched Liver
Apr 11 2008, 06:56 AM
I'm wet...
Amber von Doom
Apr 15 2008, 05:50 PM
dehydrogenase ...
Two dollar word of the day!
balzdeep
Apr 15 2008, 09:37 PM
Thought that was Oligodendroglia. One of the saddest cancer situation I have ever seen was an oligodendroglioma. Sweetest young Husky ever (yeah, there are a few out there) with one in it's brachial plexus (armpit), the nicest owners (even fewer out there with the revenue to do anything -- the more money you make = the biggest dipnut you typically are) that wanted to fix their dog at all costs, and an MRI telling us it had invaded the thoracic cavity and was non-surgical and radiation was only palliative.
Ironic that the funniest-sounding cancer still sticks in my mind for bad reasons after 8 years.
Still a funny sounding cancer.
balzdeep
Apr 15 2008, 09:48 PM
But back to alcohol and it's effects on the body, I have found that ADH (Anti-Diuretic Hormone, not Alcohol Dehydrogenase, which is another ADH) to be one of the most confusing of all hormones. You would assume that you would have more issues with a hormone that tells you to piss...BUT NOOOOOO! It all comes down to a hormone that tells you not to piss, and the fact that ethanol reduces it's production, which is why you piss more. Start bringing in the angiotenson system and you get me turned around and upside down in a hurry.
That is why I drink my own urine, I feel it equals everything out in the end. Ain't no ADH gettin' me down!
Bognoz
Apr 15 2008, 10:54 PM
ADHD keeps me
on the go, go, go
away now I'm
busy doing, wait
what's that
and that and
that . . .
jaded prol
Apr 16 2008, 04:43 AM
Your piss probably beats some of the crap that people drink.
DHEA is an unrelated hormone supplement that gives me a false sense of well-being. Especially with coffee
Bognoz
Apr 16 2008, 04:46 AM
Who? Mine? Like
my piss can beat
the crap outta yr
assbinth?
Er, what?
jaded prol
Apr 16 2008, 04:47 AM
Probably better than the Polish stuff or St. George for that matter.
Bognoz
Apr 16 2008, 04:49 AM
Aspargus season is not
my best time, though.
Zippy
Apr 17 2008, 02:49 AM
I sell my pee to a distiller in Germany. Pinhead Pee add that special flavor!
absinthist
Apr 17 2008, 03:35 AM
Hence they call it Filterated Czeckerland Xit-Bitterspirituose there. Ulex?
TheGreenOne
Apr 17 2008, 08:33 AM
QUOTE(Zippy @ Apr 17 2008, 06:49 AM)
I sell my pee to a distiller in Germany.
Butt enough about Markus.
absinthist
Apr 17 2008, 11:12 AM
The essence or Essenz of Balance. Ha!
absinthist
Apr 17 2008, 01:43 PM
All yer posts belong to me! ARP-ya are so weak.
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